John Stones transfer saga

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ijjysmith said:
This is the exact thing for me. I don't think anyone expects him to stay with us forever. That's just not realistic these days sadly, but we'd get sooooo much more for him next summer.
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I normally agree with you, but it's impossible to tell how much he'll be worth in a year, isn't it? Just look at Barkley. He hasn't even been linked to anyone this summer.

Hope for the best, but anything can happen.
 
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JustOpp said:
I normally agree with you, but it's impossible to tell how much he'll be worth in a year, isn't it? Just look at Barkley. He hasn't even been linked to anyone this summer.

Hope for the best, but anything can happen.
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He's a cert for Euro 2016 no matter what happens in my view - I'd agree with you that things can be uncertain, but there's no doubt in my mind that this kid is top drawer. Barring a serious injury, there's no way he'd be worth less than £30m at the very least next summer.

We'd be stupid to sell now for anywhere near that fee - it'd demoralise the fans at the start of a new season, be poor business and basically wave a white flag to any ambition as a club we have. It'd also indicate we had to sell, which is outright alarming.
 

longers said:
whats wrong with Distins comments ? In the grand scale of things we are no longer a big club and its delusional to think otherwise. We haven't won a trophy in 20 years (MLS all star cup doesn't count...) and we don't have a big global fanbase. We are big in regards to history of the English game but to younguns and people abroad we are not seen as a big club. We have had zero success in the premier league era bar a one off 4th place which led to nothing.

You all know its true, why get angry at a player for saying what we all know ?
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Well said about the big club thing. We all know we are a big club, but the modern day player and supporter doesn't see clubs like us, Villa or Leeds as big clubs. There are now 6 clubs of importance and they are the original PL Big 4, as well as Spurs and City. Spurs are seen as better than the rest of us but even they get patronised when compared to the Chelsea's and Man United's.

The sooner our fans realise that our history is something to be proud of but that we're fighting for 4th-5th at best the better. We will only be able to compete when we get a rich owner, and probably a new Stadium. Until that happens, i'm personally content with seeing us try and get 4th place or more realistically a European finish. Last season wasn't good enough because we should have been aiming for 4th/5th and came 11th.
 
Tubey said:
Kenwright could shat on the Everton crest in the centre circle ahead of a derby and some people would clap him. Evertonians as fans simply aren't militant.
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I think we are more spontaneous than planned militant.

After the Coventry escape the board out chants just started, no plan but it was just a moment. Rather like the clapping of Kenwright was another moment that I'll never forget.
 
TheFinnFan said:
I actually think selling Stones now would be the death of this board. And Im like pro-board so thats much said from my mouth.
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i think it would be a bit harsh to be furious at the board if they accepted say £40m+ for a centre back who wants to leave for an elite club. when they give £10m of it to the manager to spend will be real death though.
 

Tubey said:
He's a cert for Euro 2016 no matter what happens in my view - I'd agree with you that things can be uncertain, but there's no doubt in my mind that this kid is top drawer. Barring a serious injury, there's no way he'd be worth less than £30m at the very least next summer.

We'd be stupid to sell now for anywhere near that fee - it'd demoralise the fans at the start of a new season, be poor business and basically wave a white flag to any ambition as a club we have. It'd also indicate we had to sell, which is outright alarming.
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Two things, and these are both centered around the hypothetical of the club actively planning to sell Stones next summer.

1 - If you as an individual were going to invest a large sum of money, would you invest it in a 21-year old footballer, or would you choose to invest in a much safer commodity? Stones may represent a smaller risk than almost any 21-year old athlete in the world, but compared to anything else, it's still a massive gamble.

2 - The best time for English clubs to buy players is right now, before the new TV deal kicks in next year. It doesn't matter if Stones is worth £50 million next season, because every other club on the continent will be demanding higher fees for their players. The trend has already started, and it will only get worse. If Everton want to spend a significant amount of money in the transfer market, this is the window in which to do so.

The only way the reward ends up outweighing the risk in my eyes is if Stones goes from being one of the best to the best CB in the Premier League and commands a fee of over £60 million. That's a foolish gamble to take. If they're going to sell, from an economic standpoint they should sell now.
 
JustOpp said:
Two things, and these are both centered around the hypothetical of the club actively planning to sell Stones next summer.

1 - If you as an individual were going to invest a large sum of money, would you invest it in a 21-year old footballer, or would you choose to invest in a much safer commodity? Stones may represent a smaller risk than almost any 21-year old athlete in the world, but compared to anything else, it's still a massive gamble.

2 - The best time for English clubs to buy players is right now, before the new TV deal kicks in next year. It doesn't matter if Stones is worth £50 million next season, because every other club on the continent will be demanding higher fees for their players. The trend has already started, and it will only get worse. If Everton want to spend a significant amount of money in the transfer market, this is the window in which to do so.

The only way the reward ends up outweighing the risk in my eyes is if Stones goes from being one of the best to the best CB in the Premier League and commands a fee of over £60 million. That's a foolish gamble to take. If they're going to sell, from an economic standpoint they should sell now.
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But that ignores the fact that we only have two current CBs who have played a premier league game in the position. If we sell one of them two weeks before the season starts then we either have
A) Jags paired with an inexperienced Browning/Galloway or
B) Jags paired with one the presumably two replacements we will buy with the money with little to none training ground practice to build up a rapport.

There are large economic risks in either of those approaches given how important early momentum is and how much each position in the league table is worth.
 

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