John Stones transfer saga

[By god I'm blue]

If we keep selling our best players then this will remain the case. It's up to the club to convince the likes of Stones that it has ambition..and then build on it

Have I woken up in a parrallel universe? this is Everton we are talking about mate?

 

[royalbalou]

Have I woken up in a parrallel universe? this is Everton we are talking about mate?

The same Everton that currently has a host of players that various 'big clubs' are clamouring to have on their books...Stones, McCarthy, Mirallas, Coleman, Barkley. None have yet been sold despite the constant drivel the media puts out to convince them life is better elsewhere

 

[Groucho]

I seem to remember another lad who probably at such a young age didn't want to move, he made a cameo on sunday and everybody is still creaming their kex about it. I personally just saw it as a sad reflection of what might have been, if we had a half decent set of owners who would not sell their mother to keep Bill in charge here.

There is no way on this earth this board will not keep him if the offer is al large as we are finally expecting it to be. You know it and so do I, I feel this line of conversation is insulting to us both.

That was over a decade ago, football and it's financing has changed.

I'm not saying the board are perfect because they're not, but I challenge the assumption that we sell every player, when we just don't.

If they wanted to cash in on every decent player, then Baines for example would have been shipped off years ago. So we have every reason to think that we have a chance of keeping Stones.

 

[By god I'm blue]

That was over a decade ago, football and it's financing has changed.

I'm not saying the board are perfect because they're not, but I challenge the assumption that we sell every player, when we just don't.

If they wanted to cash in on every decent player, then Baines for example would have been shipped off years ago. So we have every reason to think that we have a chance of keeping Stones.

Yes it has...one thing hasn't changed though, we still have the same hamstrung owners.

I am sure they will get the right money for him when he goes though, they at least manage to get that bit right.

Anyway, as I said earlier, if he harbours any ambition of playing top flight football in europe he will be off and that is undeniable. Convince yourself to the opposite as much as you like, but he aint getting CL football with Everton as it stands.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Stones Barkley Coleman Lukaku McCarthy, Mirallas, if they're all of interest to 'bigger clubs' and will inevitably leave, according to some, why can they not perform as they should for Everton and win us some trophies. The talent is obviously there but for once maybe showing ambition might be defined as winning a difficult trophy with Everton as a group rather than pushing your agent to get you a move to a club that just inhales trophies every season. What's ambitious about that. Any one of those players could be an Everton legend if they achieved even one thing of note with us before moving on. Instead we have their agents mouthing off about champions league football or the value of their contract whilst collectively they contrived to help us finish....11th last year. If they want to play for so. called top teams how about actually performing like top players taking a bit of responsibility for our performances. Then I wouldn't begrudge anyone a move. I sometimes think if you took our starting 11 when all fit, put them in the Etihad with light blue shirts on and said they were playing for City they'd probably finish top 4 with a cup win. I don't think quality is the issue with this team (all debate about the manager aside) I think it's the mentality. Too many players just see Everton as either a perfect stepping stone/launchpad or a comfy retirement home, perhaps s place to rehabilitate their failing careers. How many of the current squad are playing for us with the expectation of winning things for Everton?

 

[Groucho]

Yes it has...one thing hasn't changed though, we still have the same hamstrung owners.

I am sure they will get the right money for him when he goes though, they at least manage to get that bit right.

Anyway, as I said earlier, if he harbours any ambition of playing top flight football in europe he will be off and that is undeniable. Convince yourself to the opposite as much as you like, but he aint getting CL football with Everton as it stands.

In the last 10 years, how many hot prospects have we sold? Fellaini? How many have we kept hold of - Jags, Baines, Coleman, Barkley?

We have more cases of keeping players than selling them, and coupled with the club issuing a 'not for sale' notice to Chelsea, I'll assume Stone's will stay until further notice.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

40 odd appearences at Everton, I dont think other clubs and their accountants are going to release the amount of money just yet, that meets our boards valuation.

 

[By god I'm blue]

In the last 10 years, how many hot prospects have we sold? Fellaini? How many have we kept hold of - Jags, Baines, Coleman, Barkley?

We have more cases of keeping players than selling them, and coupled with the club issuing a 'not for sale' notice to Chelsea, I'll assume Stone's will stay until further notice.

City wanted Lescott, they got him, United wanted Fellaini, they got him, Arsenal wanted Arteta, they got him. Barkley and Coleman could well still be off when the time is right. I don't want it to happen, it's just the way it works. If our neighbours can't hold onto the likes of Sterling, we don't have a hope in hell!

 

[Groucho]

Lescott fair enough, but don't forget, he, Fellaini and Arteta cried off, transfer requests and everything - that's not us wanting to sell or pushing them out for profit.

Baines and Barkley and Coleman are still here.

 

[By god I'm blue]

I'd prefer you not to add to my quotes.

Lescott fair enough, but don't forget, he, Fellaini and Arteta cried off, transfer requests and everything - that's not us wanting to sell or pushing them out for profit.

Baines and Barkley and Coleman are still here.

Your whole point is based around the fact that Baines and Jags stayed. Yes they did, maybe they are comfortable with where they are. Coleman and Barkley, as they are both still young could easily go either way and well you know it.

I have altered my post as to not add to your quotes, don't want you getting upset.

If Stones does not want CL footy and the chance to win things he will stay, if he does want those things he will leave, i'm done on this now as I feel I am just stating the obvious.

 

[cjuk87]

If we keep selling our best players then this will remain the case. It's up to the club to convince the likes of Stones that it has ambition..and then build on it

I can just imagine Bill now, taking Stones on a walk around Goodison

"and here John is our new disabled entrance, PAINTED also i think you'll notice! and here is the fanzone, we've added an extra burger van and 6 more seats this season....and oh...oh what's this!!! the car park spaces now have thick white lines on them. We're going places Stonesy, and if you want to join us on this revolution then stay and lets build this dream together"

John Stones signed for Manchester United the next day.

 

[flibbyflob]

The longer this is going on and the fact we haven't signed a centre half yet anyway makes me think he IS staying at least for this season. If we were selling him for the right bid we would have had to have signed a replacement by now in case we end up with Jags as our only centre half and a handful of kids.

The Rio talk is probably correct in what he says but sounds pretty desperate.

 

[Saint Domingo]

City wanted Lescott, they got him, United wanted Fellaini, they got him, Arsenal wanted Arteta, they got him. Barkley and Coleman could well still be off when the time is right. I don't want it to happen, it's just the way it works. If our neighbours can't hold onto the likes of Sterling, we don't have a hope in hell!

Fellaini arguably didn't suit our style of play anymore and we got a ridiculous amount for him. He's nowhere near that value. If Roberto had wanted to keep him we could have, regardless of his transfer request. Arteta was never the same after his injury and his performances had declined, 10 mill was good money. Rodwell as well went with the managers blessing because he was offering nothing to the squad. In came Jelavic and Pienaar and we turned the season around with that money.

I genuinely think the only two examples of us being a 'selling club' were Rooney and Lescott with the latter again being an astronomical price. This is not bad at all in comparison to our peers. Even if you take the full list Rooney, Lescott Arteta Pienaar Rodwell Fellaini. Over a decade that is nothing compared to Owen, Alonso, Mascherano, Torres, Benayoun, Meireles, Kuyt, Reina, Suarez, Sterling OR Carrick, Modric, Van der Vaart, Bale, Berbatov, Keane. And they're just the ones off the top of my head. It's not even worth putting down Arsebal's sales. It's ridiculous for anyone to think Everton is a selling club. Since Rooney we have sold on the manager's terms when the money involved has made the deal more beneficial for Everton than keeping the player. I imagine the same will be the case for Stones. We will keep him until a value of money will be judged by the manager to be of more benefit to the squad than Stones the player. He's such a good player that it's unlikely a club will offer whatever the magic number is. We'll therefore be able to keep him.

 

[Joey66]

You're in an exclusive club of thousands that have called me a tit and got away with it on here.

Two tits so. It's a pair of tits!lol

 

[Big Fat Sam]

40m and I will be happy if he is sold, as it'll lead us to being an all-round stronger squad. 40m would be an unbelievable sale for us tbh, and we all know it.