John Stones transfer saga

[davek]

dave's just being a tiresome WUM.

Ha Ha. You still feeling bad mate?

 

[BoysInBlue]

Rooney was slightly more understandable given that we'd been regular relegation candidates for many years and were in a lot of debt at the time.

This time around we're pretty established in the top 7 (with the exception of last season of course) with no real reason to sell.

It was still depressing, like.

I think we'll have to disagree on that one.

We finished 7th in Rooney's first season, in which he burst on to the scene at 16 as a mega star.

The second season was largely terrible, finishing in 17th, and with Rooney only showing flashes of his genius but developing as a player.
We had a full season of newspaper speculation linking him away, and it later transpired the journalist writing the stories had shares in Rooney's agency and was set to land a huge windfall if Rooney moved (an impressionable 17 year old from a very poor family getting his head turned). The journalist was eventually sacked by his newspaper when the scandal came out.

Rooney went to Euro 2004, did well, and the media were determined that he moved on. To the extent that they exposed his visits to brothels in Liverpool (dirty media trick) which led him to wanting to 'leave the city' to get away from the 'goldfish bowl'. It also drove a rift between him and Moyes that eventually led to a Moyes lawsuit against Rooney (Rooney claimed Moyes had been feeding the papers stories about him, when he hadn't), settled out of court. Their working relationship became untenable.

Rooney was a kid every Everton fan could relate to, a brash young Scouse kid from normal circumstances who was the best player we had produced in 30 odd years.

Rooney going had nothing to do with us being 'relegation threatened' and everything to do with modern football, media coverage of young players, not being able to fully handle fame, not coping off the pitch, getting his head turned by financial riches beyond his and his families dreams. It didn't help also that the club were skint and needed the money, but even that isn't the whole story.

It was far sadder than any John Stones sale will ever be.

 

[jinkyali]

In the age of football agents making lots of money for themselves, that sadly no longer means anything.

Personally I'd say the Rooney situation just edges it given he was a local lad and the fact that it will be long time before a player with Rooney's potential comes through in England again, never mind specifically coming through Everton's youth academy.

But I do understand were Jinks is coming from.

Stones potential far out reaches Rooney for me. You can have potential and not be an attacker.

 

[bizzaro]

2013
Ins
Martinez 2m
Kone 5m
McCarthy 13m
McGeady 1m
Robles 2m

23m

Outs
Fellaini 27m
Victor 6m
Jela 6m

-39m

2014
Ins
Barry 2m
Besic 4m
Galloway 2m
Lukaku 28m

36m

Outs
Duffy 1.5m @Mikey_Fitzgerald

-1.5m

2015
Gezza 4.3m

Total spend 22.8m

@davek
@bizzaro

And that doesnt include the signing on fees for the numerous free transfers we have got in, nor does it include the 5m in Agent Fees we pay each Year.

He doesn't half try to lay it on @davek
He's stuck in Geri's transfer THIS YEAR into the figures despite us talking about LAST YEAR.

Pus the lukaku fee wasnt all up front.

Pipe down @MoutsGoat

You're making a fool of yourself

 

[Magic BFC]

Sure I seen that Barnsley have a 25% sell on fee, absolutely disgraceful if so, you've heard of 15-20% at a push but 25% the clowns who run this club never fail to astound me, so if true we have to hand over a 1/4 of any fee for him

He had 3 and half years left on his contract with us when you paid £2.2 million for a player who worth double that at least, maybe the only reason you got him was because of the sell on. In hindsight you should have paid £5m and 10% sell on, but let's be honest most Everton fans moaned when you paid £2.2M for him. Their would have been uproar if you'd paid £5M you can't have it both ways .

 

[marty mcfly]

OK everyone calm down about Stones.

He's a good player but he's nowhere near a talent Rooney was. Rooney was literally someone that had a brilliant chance of being a player capable of winning the Ballon d'Or and I think he would have had he been managed correctly. Or maybe was just a bit more selfish early in his career.

That said we would be stupid to sell this window and he would be stupid to leave.

 

[davek]

OK everyone calm down about Stones.

He's a good player but he's nowhere near a talent Rooney was. Rooney was literally someone that had a brilliant chance of being a player capable of winning the Ballon d'Or and I think he would have had he been managed correctly. Or maybe was just a bit more selfish earl in his career.

That said we would be stupid to sell this window and he would be stupid to leave.

At last, some sanity.

 

[jinkyali]

I see a very good young player. Composed on the ball and starts moves off. But he doesn't 'have everything'. He just doesn't.

Go on then. What does he lack?

 

[Goat]

He doesn't half try to lay it on @davek
He's stuck in Geri's transfer THIS YEAR into the figures despite us talking about LAST YEAR.

Pus the lukaku fee wasnt all up front.

Pipe down @MoutsGoat

You're making a fool of yourself

You said last 3 years you utter melon.

Plus, yes, Lukakus fee wasnt all upfront, same as Fellaini, neither is any transfer done between English teams apart from the Torres and Carroll transfers.

Pay attention doggy.

 

[Woolly Blue]

Ha Ha. You still feeling bad mate?

I love you really, but your relentless talking bollocks does get tiresome after a while
I suspect ( well, hope ) that one day you'll get a proper job and we'll hear less from you !!

 

[Furey1878]

I think we'll have to disagree on that one.

We finished 7th in Rooney's first season, in which he burst on to the scene at 16 as a mega star.

The second season was largely terrible, finishing in 17th, and with Rooney only showing flashes of his genius but developing as a player.
We had a full season of newspaper speculation linking him away, and it later transpired the journalist writing the stories had shares in Rooney's agency and was set to land a huge windfall if Rooney moved (an impressionable 17 year old from a very poor family getting his head turned). The journalist was eventually sacked by his newspaper when the scandal came out.

Rooney went to Euro 2004, did well, and the media were determined that he moved on. To the extent that they exposed his visits to brothels in Liverpool (dirty media trick) which led him to wanting to 'leave the city' to get away from the 'goldfish bowl'. It also drive a rift between him and Moyes that eventually led to a Moyes lawsuit against Rooney, settled out of court.

Rooney was a kid every Everton fan could relate to, a brash young Scouse kid from normal circumstances who was the best player we had produced in 30 odd years.

Rooney going had nothing to do with us being 'relegation threatened' and everything to do with modern football, media coverage of young players, not being able to fully handle fame, not coping off the pitch, getting his head turned by financial riches beyond his and his families dreams.

It was far sadder than any John Stones sale will ever be.

I agree with you that Rooney was a sadder story. I was just acknowledging that I understood were jinks was coming from.

I'd disagree the club's position had nothing to with it though. We basically lived in 14th-16th for years until Moyes came in.

 

[AaronTheBlue]

a lot of clubs have sort of worked a way around the sell on fee, they get the buying club to also pay the sell on fee as well as the agreed price.

Not that i'm paying any attention mind.

It's John Stones you heathens anyone advocating selling him is... well.. wrong.

 

[navidson]

Really??? A lower point than selling Rooney?

This.

It's not even close to when we lost Rooney

 

[chopper6]

Might not be his choice by the end of this. IF we accept a bid and he's encouraged to leave then he probably will. But even without blue specs on it would be a silly time for him to go and sit on a bench. he's just at that turning pint of potentially becoming an unbelievable CB. That can't happen unless he's playing.

 

[Furey1878]

Stones potential far out reaches Rooney for me. You can have potential and not be an attacker.

Totally agree, mate.

Just think Rooney is a player you build your team around.

Whereas Stones is a quality player whose name you basically leave in permanent ink on the team sheet.