Yarmolenko
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Oi! None of that thanks mate
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TheFinnFan
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No need for that. Everton as a club has been very clear and firm here. No need for Stones to clear things up.
Hong Kong Phooey
Player Valuation: £8m
Andy Dunn column: If Everton are still a big club they CANNOT sell John Stones to Chelsea
- 07:00, 23 August 2015
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- by AndyDunn
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- Not even if the player submits a transfer request.
Everton’s credibility is on the line here.
Michael Regan - The FA
Young and old: Everton are in different circumstances to when they sold Wayne Rooney (left)
Stones is not one of their own – Everton took him from Barnsley with a big cheque in the same way Chelsea are trying to take him from Goodison Park.
But he is a player who – along with Ross Barkley – should be in the vanguard of Everton’s future.
Of course, they have got previous when it comes to selling the future, but there was always the suspicion that the sale of Wayne Rooney was a financial necessity.
In other cases, David Moyes’ outrage during Manchester City’s courtship of Joleon Lescott will surely one day be clarified as one of the great, elaborate, price-hiking hoaxes of all time, while Marouane Fellaini was a totem of a regime Roberto Martinez was trying to revolutionise.
Ironically, Stones is a Moyes recruit and an identikit Martinez player.
In pictures - Southampton 0-3 Everton:
At the beginning of this saga, Martinez was critical of Chelsea... but Jose Mourinho and his executives have done no wrong.
This is just how they and others operate in today’s football world. Unlike Everton on occasions, they won’t look inside their own ranks and academies to solve problems.
Got a problem? Attack it with a wad.
The squad Manuel Pellegrini will bring to Goodison this weekend will have been assembled at a cost in excess of £300million.
Not sure about the £32m defender you bought last summer?
Jordan Mansfield
Adamant: Roberto Martinez has said Everton won't sell Stones and the board must back him
Then buy another £32m defender this summer.
It is the way City, Manchester United and Chelsea work.
And the litany of costly failures – think Juan Cuadrado at Chelsea, Stevan Jovetic at City, Angel di Maria at United – does not matter a jot to these clubs.
Nor does the dearth of graduates from the academies.
Make enough signings for enough money and the law of averages says you will get it right in the end.
It is not, by any means, a new mechanism for success but it remains a faintly depressing one.
For clubs outside the Premier League, the top flight’s money is irresistible. It is a wonder the French league has any players left.
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But it is resistible within its own competition. And that is the key to the Stones situation. Everton will not be relegated this season. They can start counting the money from the new TV deals. Minimum £100m a season.
What sort of message will it send to supporters if you cash in on one of your two best young players just to top up the fortunes you are getting from television?
And if Stones does express a desire to leave, then tough.
It is about time a club made a stance.
If he wanted the flexibility to leave at the drop of a hat, he should have insisted on rolling 12-month deals instead of signing a fat, new five-year contract last August.
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Presumably, his sentiments on that day – “to get pen to paper on a new deal is a dream come true” – remain the same today.
Regardless, Everton have to stand firm.
A lack of success for over two decades might have chipped away at its stature, but Everton Football Club remains a noble institution.
Take the Chelsea shilling for Stones and that nobility will be gone.
Will Stones still be an Everton player when the
Jags..class
Player Valuation: £70m
Sure but the media are now suggesting stones wants to leave. Some of the fans might believe this and give stones a hard time making it difficult for him to stay now the media are [Poor language removed] stiring.
prob being paranoid but does MOTD always do a 'look at the papers' slot at the end of the programme? I can't remember many but could be wrong. Anyway inevitably last night focussed on Stones will demand transfer rumour.
Not sure what Stones can say now as a denial will be a response to a probable fabrication but just fuel it and distract him further.
The line from BBC, Talksport etc has been that they are just reporting the news but it is clear confirmation bias wth nothing that contradicts their narrative gaining any attention.
The press are not going to respond to complaints of bias or self interest so maybe the angle has to be the damage this constant unsettling does to young English players. Lots of ammunition there and they are a lot more sensitive to anything relating to the England team.
Not sure what Stones can say now as a denial will be a response to a probable fabrication but just fuel it and distract him further.
The line from BBC, Talksport etc has been that they are just reporting the news but it is clear confirmation bias wth nothing that contradicts their narrative gaining any attention.
The press are not going to respond to complaints of bias or self interest so maybe the angle has to be the damage this constant unsettling does to young English players. Lots of ammunition there and they are a lot more sensitive to anything relating to the England team.
bizzaro
LOVE GOT JUST THE WAY IT IS #ALWNV
Andy Dunn column: If Everton are still a big club they CANNOT sell John Stones to Chelsea
With the new TV deal coming next season and no chance of relegation, they don't need the money - so stand up to the champions and say 'No'
- 07:00, 23 August 2015
- Opinion
- by AndyDunn
- Share
- Not even if the player submits a transfer request.
Everton’s credibility is on the line here.
Michael Regan - The FA
Young and old: Everton are in different circumstances to when they sold Wayne Rooney (left)
Stones is not one of their own – Everton took him from Barnsley with a big cheque in the same way Chelsea are trying to take him from Goodison Park.
But he is a player who – along with Ross Barkley – should be in the vanguard of Everton’s future.
Of course, they have got previous when it comes to selling the future, but there was always the suspicion that the sale of Wayne Rooney was a financial necessity.
In other cases, David Moyes’ outrage during Manchester City’s courtship of Joleon Lescott will surely one day be clarified as one of the great, elaborate, price-hiking hoaxes of all time, while Marouane Fellaini was a totem of a regime Roberto Martinez was trying to revolutionise.
Ironically, Stones is a Moyes recruit and an identikit Martinez player.
In pictures - Southampton 0-3 Everton:
At the beginning of this saga, Martinez was critical of Chelsea... but Jose Mourinho and his executives have done no wrong.
This is just how they and others operate in today’s football world. Unlike Everton on occasions, they won’t look inside their own ranks and academies to solve problems.
Got a problem? Attack it with a wad.
The squad Manuel Pellegrini will bring to Goodison this weekend will have been assembled at a cost in excess of £300million.
Not sure about the £32m defender you bought last summer?
Jordan Mansfield
Adamant: Roberto Martinez has said Everton won't sell Stones and the board must back him
Then buy another £32m defender this summer.
It is the way City, Manchester United and Chelsea work.
And the litany of costly failures – think Juan Cuadrado at Chelsea, Stevan Jovetic at City, Angel di Maria at United – does not matter a jot to these clubs.
Nor does the dearth of graduates from the academies.
Make enough signings for enough money and the law of averages says you will get it right in the end.
It is not, by any means, a new mechanism for success but it remains a faintly depressing one.
For clubs outside the Premier League, the top flight’s money is irresistible. It is a wonder the French league has any players left.
Watch nextRival football fans throw hamburger at »
Watch Next
But it is resistible within its own competition. And that is the key to the Stones situation. Everton will not be relegated this season. They can start counting the money from the new TV deals. Minimum £100m a season.
What sort of message will it send to supporters if you cash in on one of your two best young players just to top up the fortunes you are getting from television?
And if Stones does express a desire to leave, then tough.
It is about time a club made a stance.
If he wanted the flexibility to leave at the drop of a hat, he should have insisted on rolling 12-month deals instead of signing a fat, new five-year contract last August.
Video loading
Presumably, his sentiments on that day – “to get pen to paper on a new deal is a dream come true” – remain the same today.
Regardless, Everton have to stand firm.
A lack of success for over two decades might have chipped away at its stature, but Everton Football Club remains a noble institution.
Take the Chelsea shilling for Stones and that nobility will be gone.
Will Stones still be an Everton player when the
That is pretty much what Everton have done Andy.
You're playing catch up.
TheFinnFan
Finners
Let them suggest. It's not players job to jump into media storm. Our position is very clear and strong.
bizzaro
LOVE GOT JUST THE WAY IT IS #ALWNV
As I stated on here yesterday.
I have information that says Everton will not sell under any circumstances this summer.
I am very dismayed by the behaviour of certain members of the press and tv that are causing needless 'distress' to some of our fans.
As I said. Barring a nuclear missile strike on Goodison. John Stones is an Everton player for the foreseeable future.
People on here need to stop tearing themselves apart over what they're reading in the press and hearing on the tv.
Yes but at least someone is reporting it this way, the way most evertonians (excl davek) are talking. We must hold firm and then get into Europe to ensure the golden generation, such as they are, stay together.
bourneblue
Player Valuation: £10m
This is by far the best post I've read on this thread, and surely tallies with the club and managers stance on this issue.
bizzaro
LOVE GOT JUST THE WAY IT IS #ALWNV
@davek is just talking in the form of his anti-board narrative. He's just putting that out there as Kenwright has pulled the rug from under Evertonians before. The situation is different now entirely due to tv money only. Not Kenwrights acumen.
As for Andy Dunn. He should not be saying 'should' he should say 'are' resisting Chelsea.
We're not a small club.
Chelsea's desperate attempts this summer are plain for everyone to see.
weltonblue
Player Valuation: £1.5m
Andy Dunn ..... Kopite
Say no more
Say no more
Igrok
Player Valuation: £20m
Better write abt future of English football and the sorry state of local young players development....
So called top 4 are now total alien entities - owners, managers, players are all foreign...if no measures taken soon the whole league will be like that and teams will be playing in Qatar, Singapore, NY, etc...
So called top 4 are now total alien entities - owners, managers, players are all foreign...if no measures taken soon the whole league will be like that and teams will be playing in Qatar, Singapore, NY, etc...
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All Stones has to do is put a shift in today, which he will. He has consistently shown both his commitment to the cause, and that the speculation isn't affecting his game.
That's enough for me.
helpimonfire
Player Valuation: £35m
Oh for FFS everyone...Stones is a Toffee..Good lad John.
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