Eric Djemba-Djemba
Player Valuation: £60m
As if Moyes would have put faith in a 19 year old CB last season. No chance.
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tsubaki
Player Valuation: £90m
He did put his faith in a not that much older league of Ireland right back.
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Anustart
Hardly. Loaned him out at RB, then only let him in the team out of position at RM. Only got to play RB when everyone else was injured.
Martinez didn't wait too long to put Stones in, and at CB too. Within a year he became first choice, at a younger age.
Chimpy Glassman
Player Valuation: £30m
Correct. Some people are remembering wrong.
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Anustart
It's all right. It's natural to make things rosier in retrospect; it's what humans do.
Not me, mind. I'm a miserable sod who remembers every hideous 0-0 draw and relieves the Wigan 3-0 defeat in his sleep. It was a long, long wait to see Seamus in at RB permanently. Especially as we had the Hibbo/Neville axis of pyar gash there.
sageyefc
Player Valuation: £90m
joey_macmo
Player Valuation: £35m
Are the above posters conveniently forgetting that in our biggest game of the season Martinez picked an old crock ahead of Stones?
He picked Stones last year when there were injuries, he played Distin ahead of him the start of this season.
Irony at its best
He picked Stones last year when there were injuries, he played Distin ahead of him the start of this season.
Irony at its best
hallamblue
Player Valuation: £40m
That is certainly true, when he picked Alcaraz over Stones against Kiev I couldn't believe it, worse decision he's made at Everton!
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Anustart
Think you need to re-read what irony is, mate. Try "hypocrisy" at a push.
Distin earned his place after being outstanding last season. It didn't take long for Martinez to push him out of the fold though.
Whereas Moyes kept his past-it players going for 3 years, not 3 months.
joey_macmo
Player Valuation: £35m
Exactly so he didnt put "faith" in Stones he waited until one of his old hands was crap.
Who exactly was past it and played on for 3 years?
More history being re-written i suspect
Whistlin' Dixie
Player Valuation: £50m
Can't mean nevile, surely? He never had 'it'.
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Anustart
He got his chance because of injury, just like Coleman. That's fine.
However, the injured players in question were slightly different. Comparing Jags/Distin of last season to Hibbo/Neville of a few seasons ago is a totally different kettle of fish. We could have had Sergio Ramos on the bench, but nothing but an injury would displace Jags/Distin last season as they were brilliant.
Coleman meanwhile spent his first season under Moyes on the bench/on loan, then the entirety of his second season at RM.
Oh and... then in his third season, guess where he played? RM again. When in the squad that is. In the 12/13 season -- Coleman's FOURTH season -- injury presented Moyes with no option other than to play him at RB.
Meanwhile it took Martinez until early 2014 to put Stones in at CB regularly (a much tougher position for a young player). Yes, it wasn't until our fourth game of the season this year that he put him in again, but we had Jags/Distin both fit, and we all thought that was the right decision. Who knew what would happen? Didn't take long for Stones to return though.
And obviously I meant Phil Neville. But then Cahill went on for a good 18 months past his sell by date, Osman spent about 10 years in the wrong positions. Etc Etc.
I am no Martinez super fan, in fact a quick perusal of my posts this season will show the opposite, but I am not a rewriter of history either. Moyes was far more stubborn and a lot, lot slower to change than Roberto. So back to the original point, Moyes did not "put his faith" in Coleman. Rather, he signed him for an irresistible bargain fee, and then put him into the team in his actual position in his FOURTH season, when he had no options left and had to play a RB who didn't fit his style of "Defend first, then defend second as well actually. Just defend ffs".
Really don't understand this argument.
Coleman developed into an excellent right back over 4 seasons of coaching.
You seem to be implying that he was the finished article from day 1 and Moyes was wasting him on the right wing. What I and most others saw was a high energy player who had a lot to learn about positioning. Once this was slowly coached into him he became the Seamus Coleman we all know.
The likes of trappatoni who, like him or not, could organise a defence didn't rate him at all as recently as 2012.
toffeejack
Player Valuation: £100m
ramos wish he was as good as distin
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I'm an Ireland fan, don't talk to me about Trapp. He played championship players over an in-form Gibbo.
But yes, I'm not saying that Coleman was ready straight away. But he was ready far before he got in. I was merely illustrating a contrast and dispelling some illusion that Moyes had loads of faith in Coleman. It took an age for him to become a trusted first choice player.
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