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John Stones

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He left Barnsley because it wasn't a challenge to him in the championship, and we don't have the money to provide him with the coaches a special talent like his deserves, he needed to be tested ever day in training, by players of the standard that you have, he could have gone to a top 6 club as a young lad but he chose to, stay at a club where he could play first team football to aide his development as a player. He's not like most players chasing money or free trophies, he wants to be the best he can, and if he leaves that'll be the reason like it was when he left us.
It is a bit worrying what you've said. Even though most Utd fans don't think so he would start for Utd, he would be their best CB and once the manager seen him in training or preseason he would know it too. So it's not like he needs to be here to learn his trade, the same way he didn't need to be at Barnsley.

However we wouldn't sell. I don't think even a 50m bid would buy him this summer. He's too important to us and as an English CB will be worth that in another year or two. Next summer especially if he starts the Euros which I think he will he might try to force our hand which might complicate things.
 
It is a bit worrying what you've said. Even though most Utd fans don't think so he would start for Utd, he would be their best CB and once the manager seen him in training or preseason he would know it too. So it's not like he needs to be here to learn his trade, the same way he didn't need to be at Barnsley.

However we wouldn't sell. I don't think even a 50m bid would buy him this summer. He's too important to us and as an English CB will be worth that in another year or two. Next summer especially if he starts the Euros which I think he will he might try to force our hand which might complicate things.
If a team genuinely lashed in a bid of 50m he's as good as gone. John Stones is an exceptional talent and is now an automatic starter and a key player for us; however a genuine bid of 50m and he's gone.
 
He left Barnsley because it wasn't a challenge to him in the championship, and we don't have the money to provide him with the coaches a special talent like his deserves, he needed to be tested ever day in training, by players of the standard that you have, he could have gone to a top 6 club as a young lad but he chose to, stay at a club where he could play first team football to aide his development as a player. He's not like most players chasing money or free trophies, he wants to be the best he can, and if he leaves that'll be the reason like it was when he left us.

Great post mate. Went to the U21s the other week, was good to be back at Oakwell again and around 16,000 went to see Stonesy, class to see.

Spoke to a Barnsley fan on the way out about Stones. He said you've got another player called Holgate who's looking just as good as Stones was at the same age. Barnsley have always had a terrific academy as well. Footballing town through and through - was often known as a Utd feeder club in the 80s/90s. Wish them all the best - the town deserves a club in the Championship at least.
 

I've mentioned Holgate & Bree already in this thread, they're both defenders, Holgate is mirroring the delvopment path of Stones to a tee, learning to defend at right back and how to bring out the ball, before he gets moved to centre half he's always going to be a central defender, like Stones was they both played centre half at youth level then found their feet at right back in the first team, he's not at the level stones was at for us just yet though, he'll be a good un and at premier league level, but with stones even with us you could tell he'll be champions league level. He's only 18 with 20 first team games to his name once he got in the side he's stayed in, James Bree like stones and Holgate before him as turned down the likes of Man Utd to stay at Oakwell, and get first team games, but unlike the two he's going to end up taking the similar path as Bale from right back to a striker, all our young players are comfortable on the ball but this kids unreal, he'll be better the stones if he continues like he is, 17 years old 12 first team ges and would have a lot more had he not broken his back early into last season and missed the last 5 months
 
Do England Have Terry/Rio Hybrid?
That's certainly the target for John Stones, who has already been compared to Rio Ferdinand by England U-21 boss Gareth Southgate. He really could be the real deal.
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There was a moment in Gareth Southgate's pre-tournament press conference when explaining the decision to leave Eric Dier at home that was particularly revealing. He referred to "the three other defenders" that he'd picked instead - namely Ben Gibson, Liam Moore and Michael Keane.
It was only after he corrected himself that the main man was included too. "I think we were all aware that John Stones coming down from the seniors was going to be in," added the England coach.
Such is the reputation of the Everton defender. As a result, his loss for the opening two games after suffering concussion in a training ground incident with goalkeeper Jack Butland was a considerable blow.
England have defended with plenty of determination in the meantime - conceding only once - but the lack of assurance shown by his deputies in terms of bringing the ball out of defence has had a knock-on effect. It's hampered the side's ability to construct attacks as effectively as they'd like.
Stones has that calmness that can be so important at international level. So much so, in fact, that Southgate was even drawn into comparing the 21-year-old Yorkshireman to former national team captain Rio Ferdinand earlier this month.
"In terms of his comfort on the ball, Rio had that comfort on the ball, that ability to turn out and start again by stepping into midfield and using the ball effectively," said Southgate, speaking at St George's Park.
Regarding Stones, the Under-21 boss added: "He's very exciting. He started at right-back for us and we moved him after a couple of games because we got an injury at centre-back. We thought straight away it was going to be his best position. Physically, he's still filling out a bit. But he has great physical attributes.
"He's got a good leap, he's quick and he deals well with things one-on-one. He's as composed as any young defender I've seen. He's outstanding in that area."
Stones himself might seem an unassuming type, but his recent claim that he is looking to fuse the best of Ferdinand and John Terry - "that mixture between smooth passing and tough defending is going to be a good recipe for my game," he told FourFourTwo - hints at an ambitious young man. Curiously, Southgate has admitted that it's the steely defensive work of Terry that can be trickier to instil in all of his talented young defenders.
"We've got defenders who can use the ball, but we've also got to have a desire to keep the ball out of the net," added Southgate, a former defender with 57 England caps in a nine-year international career of his own.
"That's a skill which at an academy level through clubs we've still got to encourage. Chelsea won the league because they've got four defenders who like keeping the ball out of the net."
Of Stones, in particular, he said: "Like all of our young defenders, there's still a bit of work to be done in terms of that understanding that keeping the ball out of the net is the No 1 priority. I suppose Rio went through similar processes in terms of learning to be a better, stronger defender. That'll be the bit now that we'll want to keep pushing."
There is little reason to suppose that he won't. The subsequent admission that Stones was in tears when it became clear that concussion protocols would prevent him from featuring in the team's opening two games is further indication that this is a player entirely focused on his football.
Given that the defender already has four senior caps - more than any other player in Southgate's squad - it's a revealing insight into his dedication. He's not one to regard this tournament as beneath him.
"Everything is there to be successful," added Southgate when discussing this exemplary attitude. It's perhaps indicative of his unique focus that Stones is the only member of the squad not on Twitter. "He's got a stable background, a good family in support and he wants to be the best he can be. When we're working at things, he's always attentive and always looking back at his games to see what he could have done better and analysing things."
Sitting on the sidelines, Stones has had plenty of time to study everything - even the big screen at the Ander Stadium displaying his face as their man of the match when testing their technology before the Sweden game. Now is the time for action. "He's had a feel that there's something bigger out there and this will be a stage he'll look forward to," said Southgate.
Belatedly, the Everton man will get his chance to show just how important he can be for his country this Wednesday evening against Italy.
Adam Bate
 
Neither of them getting any help. Midfielders are not moving to the ball just standing there like bells getting the ball intercepted.
 

Rusty playing alongside a really bad CB and Chalobah holding, who'd struggle to get in Chelsea's U21 side.
 

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