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John Stones

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Been a massive fan of the lad from day 1 but he hasn't been right all season. His head was turned and there's no going back from that. He clearly won't sign a new contract unless there's a release clause to his and his agent's liking so he's obviously going in the summer and that's fine by me because he can't defend and takes far too many chances in a league where teams press high up the pitch. 50m will be sound business, you could buy a new back 4 and goalie with that
 

How do you discern 'rest' from 'drop'?

Not much difference I guess but rest is what is done to players when there are a lot of matches so they are fresh for the ones they play in. I think that's been part of the issue with him - too many matches recently.

Also saying he's dropped would create a media circus that wouldn't be good for him. Saying he's been rested (or even lying and saying he's got an injury) might spare him that.

Roberto's good at lying to the media so hopefully he can do that
 
People saying Stones being dropped wouldn't be good for him need to think for a minute. Clubs like Real Madrid, Barcelona, Chelsea, etc are all interested in him. If you think for one second they will worry about what dropping him will do to his head or ego when he is on their team, are crazy. If he is that fragile at Everton he better stay put because with the money these clubs are going to pay for him, comes big expectations. He will not be afforded the mistakes at those clubs as he is here.
 
People saying Stones being dropped wouldn't be good for him need to think for a minute. Clubs like Real Madrid, Barcelona, Chelsea, etc are all interested in him. If you think for one second they will worry about what dropping him will do to his head or ego when he is on their team, are crazy. If he is that fragile at Everton he better stay put because with the money these clubs are going to pay for him, comes big expectations. He will not be afforded the mistakes at those clubs as he is here.

He doesn't need to be dropped. Especially not now. It's the worst time to drop him.

If he gets dropped, for such a big game after a poor game, then that is the story. The media will be all over it like a rash mate, and it will be blown all out of proportion.

Also, the self doubt would then kick in with him, potentially.

He isn't at Real or Barca yet, he's here, and we're Everton, not Real or Barca. He's one of our best players, who has had a poor game. He needs to be given the chance to bounce back and there's no better way than being able to do that by playing at the highest level a few days later.
 

He doesn't need to be dropped. Especially not now. It's the worst time to drop him.

If he gets dropped, for such a big game after a poor game, then that is the story. The media will be all over it like a rash mate, and it will be blown all out of proportion.

Also, the self doubt would then kick in with him, potentially.

He isn't at Real or Barca yet, he's here, and we're Everton, not Real or Barca. He's one of our best players, who has had a poor game. He needs to be given the chance to bounce back and there's no better way than being able to do that by playing at the highest level a few days later.

I'll agree to disagree. No one is above being dropped. Funes Mori will be dropped for Jags on Wednesday when it should be Stones sitting out.

My point is if he can't handle criticism here or handle being benched here then maybe he should get his head out of the clouds dreaming of a champions league club. Because he will be benched without hesitation there.

Martinez has given him too much freedom to make mistakes without being held accountable. That's a huge problem. He needs to learn when to play around with the ball inside his own 18 and when to hit it into row z. He does too much of the former and needs to do more of the latter.
 
I'll agree to disagree. No one is above being dropped. Funes Mori will be dropped for Jags on Wednesday when it should be Stones sitting out.

My point is if he can't handle criticism here or handle being benched here then maybe he should get his head out of the clouds dreaming of a champions league club. Because he will be benched without hesitation there.

Martinez has given him too much freedom to make mistakes without being held accountable. That's a huge problem. He needs to learn when to play around with the ball inside his own 18 and when to hit it into row z. He does too much of the former and needs to do more of the latter.

I'm not saying he's above being dropped mate, not at all.

I'm saying now isn't the right time for him to be rested. That's all.

John Stones will be the story if he is dropped. At the end of the transfer window, in the middle of the season, the media circus would be fully on the lad and the club once more. We do not want that.

Give Stones the chance to show what he can do. He had a bad day today, but he really has been no where near as poor in recent weeks as some people have been making out.
 
Stones isnt to big or too good for everton, he shouldnt be undroppable.


Been way too careless for a while now
No he isn't, but now is not the time to drop him. Unless you love the media circus dribbling at the thought of a riff between one of our best players/Europe's hottest property and the fans/manager.
 
No he isn't, but now is not the time to drop him. Unless you love the media circus dribbling at the thought of a riff between one of our best players/Europe's hottest property and the fans/manager.
Tbh not arsed what the media think, just want to see players picked on merit and hopefully some decent results.
 

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