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ForeverBlue92 said:
Increased ticket prices
Increased hospitality
Concerts/events
Sponsorship & matchday deals

Could even be more than £70m pa.
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Nonsense. Drivel.

You said
BMD alone will generate between £50-70 millions more to the club a season than GP including the recent catering deal.
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Which means you think BMD will take in between £66 million to £86 million a season (i.e. which is over and above GP's revenue of ca. £16 million per season)

52,888 and an average ticket price per seat of £750 per seat is only £39,666,000 a season

52,888 and an average ticket price per seat of £1000 per seat is only £52,888,000 a season

If we do more detailed calculations

5000 hospitality at £3000 a season, = £15,000,000
47888 and an average ticket price per seat of £750 per seat = £35,916,000

Total = £50,916,000 per season

You're well short of what you're claiming there. Well short. By at least 25% to 50%

Fantasy land from @ForeverBlue92
 
Damo_1878 said:
Nonsense. Drivel.

You said


Which means you think BMD will take in between £66 million to £86 million a season (i.e. which is over and above GP's revenue of ca. £16 million per season)

52,888 and an average ticket price per seat of £750 per seat is only £39,666,000 a season

52,888 and an average ticket price per seat of £1000 per seat is only £52,888,000 a season

If we do more detailed calculations

5000 hospitality at £3000 a season, = £15,000,000
47888 and an average ticket price per seat of £750 per seat = £35,916,000

Total = £50,916,000 per season

You're well short of what you're claiming there. Well short. By at least 25% to 50%

Fantasy land from @ForeverBlue92
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You're not including:

Concerts/events
Sponsorship & matchday deals
Corporate events

Sponsorship alone will be worth tens of millions.

I have it on good authority that the new catering deal is eye watering sums.
 
ForeverBlue92 said:
You're not including:

Concerts/events
Sponsorship & matchday deals
Corporate events

Sponsorship alone will be worth tens of millions.

I have it on good authority that the new catering deal is eye watering sums compared to the slop at GP.
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Everton will not get 100% of the revenues from non-matchday events

You're over stating revenues massively because it suits your imaginary view of the financial situation post move to BMD

The capacity of 52,888 is too small to raise revenues to the size you're claiming

Also you keep going on about the "catering deal" and have no idea what this "ALL" thing was all about.
 
Damo_1878 said:
Nonsense. Drivel.

You said


Which means you think BMD will take in between £66 million to £86 million a season (i.e. which is over and above GP's revenue of ca. £16 million per season)

52,888 and an average ticket price per seat of £750 per seat is only £39,666,000 a season

52,888 and an average ticket price per seat of £1000 per seat is only £52,888,000 a season

If we do more detailed calculations

5000 hospitality at £3000 a season, = £15,000,000
47888 and an average ticket price per seat of £750 per seat = £35,916,000

Total = £50,916,000 per season

You're well short of what you're claiming there. Well short. By at least 25% to 50%

Fantasy land from @ForeverBlue92
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What about from improved commercial sales, improved sponsorship deals?

I dont think its as far away as you say Damo.
 
Goat said:
What about from improved commercial sales, improved sponsorship deals?

I dont think its as far away as you say Damo.
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Individuals at the club persistently lie about the increases in revenues. They did so on the move from Kazoo to Stake. It was a miniescule +£300k

BMD will increase revenues but because of the limited capacity of 5000 hospitality it will not close the gap to other clubs, as some on here in fantasy land are claiming.
 

Goat said:
But using your figures, 10000 extra seats would only "make" 10m more a season and that means selling out every single game.

Good luck getting 62,000 for a dead rubber against Stoke in April.
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It isn't just the +10000 seats. It's the Kenwright/Baxendale mistake of only having capacity for 5000 hospitality rather than 7500 or 10000

That is a huge loss in potential revenues because they were incompetent.

Even then, we would need to max capacity across the board in a 62,000 capacity BMD to get the figures that "ForeverBlue" is claiming "more to the club a season than GP"
 
Damo_1878 said:
It isn't just the +10000 seats. It's the Kenwright/Baxendale mistake of only having capacity for 5000 hospitality rather than 7500 or 10000

That is a huge loss in potential revenues because they were incompetent.

Even then, we would need to max capacity across the board in a 62,000 capacity BMD to get the figures that "ForeverBlue" is claiming "more to the club a season than GP"
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As I say, I dont think hes gonna be far off, personally, I guess we find out in 2 years.

Our problem will be that whoever buys us will be creaming a big chunk off the top for themselves to pay our debts.
 
Goat said:
As I say, I dont think hes gonna be far off, personally, I guess we find out in 2 years.

Our problem will be that whoever buys us will be creaming a big chunk off the top for themselves to pay our debts.
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Oh on that I agree @Goat

The point I'm making, whilst revenues will increase "ForeverBlue" is doing the usual throwing around fantasy figures on revenue increases making dubious claims about how much extra money the club will make per season

When people were told that the claims that STAKE would give us a fantasy £20 million a season increase over KAZOO as many on twitter were throwing around, they wouldn't listen when told that the increase was only £300k

It happens all the time, people making totally OTT claims on the potential revenues, whilst at the same time Baxendale/Kenwright etc scaled back the revenue generator capacity of hospitality to only 5000 and overall capacity to 52,888

Telling us all "smaller is better" 🤷‍♂️ and getting Dan Meiss to trot out the same

The capacity should be 62,888 and hospitality should be minimum 7500 to 10,000

5000 has already sold out (all meal hospitality has anyway, months ago) showing it was too small
 

ForeverBlue92 said:
You're not including:

Concerts/events
Sponsorship & matchday deals
Corporate events

Sponsorship alone will be worth tens of millions.

I have it on good authority that the new catering deal is eye watering sums.
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Hopefully you are right. This club under Kenwright (and little sign of change as yet since his departure) has had a self defeating habit of securitising anything and everything possible.. basically anything we should have been directly exploiting for revenue growth has been sold to a third party for a stupidly low up front payment over a multi year operating contract.

If we hire professionals to run the finance and commercial operations, we can avoid repeating those same mistakes at BMD. and consider taking some of these elements in house. My concern would be that no such hires will occur until a new owner is on board and the club will hastily future sell otherwise lucrative multi-year contracts now in a forced sale context. It's likely decisions on all such criteria (the renovated pump house building comes to mind) will need to be made very shortly in order for the site to be ready for Summer 2025.
 
Dublin blue 75 said:
Hopefully you are right. This club under Kenwright (and little sign of change as yet since his departure) has had a self defeating habit of securitising anything and everything possible.. basically anything we should have been directly exploiting for revenue growth has been sold to a third party for a stupidly low up front payment over a multi year operating contract.

If we hire professionals to run the finance and commercial operations, we can avoid repeating those same mistakes at BMD. and consider taking some of these elements in house. My concern would be that no such hires will occur until a new owner is on board and the club will hastily future sell otherwise lucrative multi-year contracts now in a forced sale context. It's likely decisions on all such criteria (the renovated pump house building comes to mind) will need to be made very shortly in order for the site to be ready for Summer 2025.
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This is the whole point of the criticism of Barrett-Baxendale and the "ALL" hospitality scheme

She under spec and under capacity the hospitality at BMD at only 5000

The sales have already proven this was too small. It was actively reduced during build by Baxendale et al.

I know people who run their own companies who inquired and couldn't get hospitality places. That means we are losing revenues we should be earning
 

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