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Jonjoe Kenny

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bluestevon said:
For Kenny mate I'd say given doubts about him physically, why not loan him early on to a lower league which by nature is more physical to see if that helps? Alternately loan him to a more technical league like Holland and see if you can develop him to a technical player.

Instead we kept him around doing nothing and developed neither side
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Not sure if you mean do those things now, or should have done those things a few years ago?
If it’s now surely it’s too late - he’s 25 years old now, if he’s not technically and physically good enough for this League now he never will be!
 
bluestevon said:
Yup mate but they where both wierd short term loans, the wigan one especially - think it was three months, he played well they wanted to keep him and we said no, and the next 6 months he spent playing youth footy again.

Then loan him the next year to a division below where he's gone the season before which is the opposite of how we should be doing it - wasn't it another short term loan but we at least extended this time but wierdly extended at a club lower and where he was playing less than the season before.

All that just strikes as the club not having a development plan and just randomly makiing decisions on the fly
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He played a whole season on loan with schalke in germany.
 

Wat Tyler said:
Lampard loves him, be surprised if he leaves
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I actually don’t think we know who Lampard loves just yet, except for Seamus who he clearly admires greatly as a person. He had to bring everyone together whether he rated them or not in order to eek out enough to survive the drop. He might well surprise us by punting one or two if the opportunity arises. Perhaps saying this more out of hope than anything.
 
kiss the crest said:
Our U11's full back is better than JJK and hes injured
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Well inform the Everton scouting team about your young full back he must be a cracker.
maccavennie said:
Iwobi away at Arsenal played in a back 5 as a WB just like

Palace at home W - moved to AM just before ht
Brentford home L
Watford A D
Leicester away W
Chelsea Home W
Liverpool away L

So, unless you didn't see any of those games you'd know he played in exactly the same position as he did against Arsenal and if you did see any of those games you'd seen he was miles and miles and miles better than anything Kenny could have offered.

The last 7 games he's literally played that position so I'm unsure how you think Arsenal was a one off??
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Yes Iwobi improved a thousand % in those games, shows how bad he had been previously, and he was very good with the ball but not as good without the ball, Gordon was the reverse of that, not very good with the ball but very good without the ball, he pressed the opposition relentlessly and with much more intent than Iwobi could ever do, Anthony left himself with hardly any energy left after seventy minutes , Iwobi was much better passing and dribbling but his desire to fully get stuck in is still lacking especially fifty fifty balls.

You obviously saw all those games and except for the Arsenal game Colman was the full back with Iwobi helping him out and he wasn’t as good as Gordon when he was helping Seamus on that right side.
 

Cameron Manning said:
Well inform the Everton scouting team about your young full back he must be a cracker.

Yes Iwobi improved a thousand % in those games, shows how bad he had been previously, and he was very good with the ball but not as good without the ball, Gordon was the reverse of that, not very good with the ball but very good without the ball, he pressed the opposition relentlessly and with much more intent than Iwobi could ever do, Anthony left himself with hardly any energy left after seventy minutes , Iwobi was much better passing and dribbling but his desire to fully get stuck in is still lacking especially fifty fifty balls.

You obviously saw all those games and except for the Arsenal game Colman was the full back with Iwobi helping him out and he wasn’t as good as Gordon when he was helping Seamus on that right side.
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Coleman played centre half in a back 3 for all those games mate. Iwobi was the wing back and defensively on duty.

He's absolutely miles and miles and miles ahead of Kenny when it comes to physicality, getting up and down the pitch, tracking back, comfortable on the ball etc etc

Now don't get me wrong, I'd still sell Iwobi if a decent offer csme in because we didn't buy him to play wing back, but as back up to (hopefully) Patterson and lesser extent Coleman, I'd a no brained to release Kenny as Iwobi has priced he can more than adequately play in that position.
 
maccavennie said:
Coleman played centre half in a back 3 for all those games mate. Iwobi was the wing back and defensively on duty.

He's absolutely miles and miles and miles ahead of Kenny when it comes to physicality, getting up and down the pitch, tracking back, comfortable on the ball etc etc

Now don't get me wrong, I'd still sell Iwobi if a decent offer csme in because we didn't buy him to play wing back, but as back up to (hopefully) Patterson and lesser extent Coleman, I'd a no brained to release Kenny as Iwobi has priced he can more than adequately play in that position.
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Iwobi hasn’t proved to me he can play in that position,as for physicality Jonjoe will go in where it hurts Iwobi steers clear of any heavy tackling but he is good in the middle of the park where he has played well recently until he gets to the penalty area when he lacks some confidence and not brave enough to take people on and go past them, but he has helped to get the points needed to keep us up.

If he is doing such a good job as a wing back, in your opinion, why would you sell him?
 
Cameron Manning said:
Iwobi hasn’t proved to me he can play in that position,as for physicality Jonjoe will go in where it hurts Iwobi steers clear of any heavy tackling but he is good in the middle of the park where he has played well recently until he gets to the penalty area when he lacks some confidence and not brave enough to take people on and go past them, but he has helped to get the points needed to keep us up.

If he is doing such a good job as a wing back, in your opinion, why would you sell him?
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Because he's not a wing back. Patterson, Coleman, to a lesser extent Holgate......yet Iwobi was picked above Coleman and Holgate and Kenny for that position for the last 6/7 games

We didn't sign Iwobi as a wing back.

But he's still miles better than Kenny.

You must see this mate, your literally making me go around and around in circles when my first response (Iwobi is 100% better than Kenny) was (as I said) 100% correct.
 
maccavennie said:
Because he's not a wing back. Patterson, Coleman, to a lesser extent Holgate......yet Iwobi was picked above Coleman and Holgate and Kenny for that position for the last 6/7 games

We didn't sign Iwobi as a wing back.

But he's still miles better than Kenny.

You must see this mate, your literally making me go around and around in circles when my first response (Iwobi is 100% better than Kenny) was (as I said) 100% correct.
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Well if you are going round and round in circles it looks like you cutting corners.
Because you say Iwobi is 100% better than Jonjoe doesn’t mean you are correct and if you are waiting for me to agree with that you’ll have a very long wait.
 

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