2020/21 Jordan Pickford

[Wizard]

I like everyone else is happy to see him doing well...but..please give me a link to an outstanding save he's made in this tournament. What worries me is the Ingerlund press is building him up and as we've seen before,one mistake however how minor if they can hang it on him if they go out, he'll get slaughtered,which may reflect on his form for us next season.

His save against Scotland and his save against Havertz in the Germany game were both great. His commanding of the box has been really good all through the tournament.

Any mistake a keeper makes is going to result in the press and fans criticising. But mistakes also matter when they fall in a match so you have a chance to recover. Look at Unai Simon for Spain. Awful mistake, probably worse than any Pickford has made for Everton. But then he made 2 great saves to help them massively.

Dont worry about what might happen, enjoy the fact our keeper is doing incredibly well. Not just in this tournament but for the second half of the season for us too.

 

[Zatara]

I have been Pickford's biggest critic. I wasn't overly impressed at Sunderland and in honesty I was a bit underwhelming when he 1st came here. He then got worse and had a meltdown. However what I will say, is in 2021, probably post the derby he has been fantastic. I got a bit of criticism for saying as much back in February time that he was actually starting to show consistency, but for both club and country he has done very well.

I had a theory in 2018 that he played better in better teams. I think that is starting to be borne out. His best performances have been for England, but England are a team who expect to challenge to win trophies. Sunderland was a bit of a horror show as a team as were we under Koeman, so you can understand someone (wrongly) thinking it doesn't matter how they play and that 1 good game 1 bad game is enough.

I put something on twitter a few days ago to say he has gone level 4th with most clean sheets at a tournament. He is not 4th on his own. David Seaman hadn't even played for England when he was Pickford's age. I don't think Shilton had either. Only Shilton, Banks and Seaman are ahead of him. By the time he is finished he is going to go down as one of England's all time best goalkeepers.

I liked Pickford when he first arrived, I thought the 17/18 season whilst difficult for Everton he actually played quite well. He then had a very good World Cup. I think the almost negative reaction to that bothered his form afterwards. He’d just had a brilliant World Cup and the media just seemed to want to pounce on any error he made to prove he shouldn’t be England number 1. I can’t remember them ever doing this with Hart or Robinson who could also have poor spells of form. It led to him trying far too hard in my view, and then when the Origi error happened (which I still don’t blame him for) it was like Christmas had come for his opponents. I think that then culminated in the Van Dijk incident (again not his fault in my view) where he became public enemy number 1 for the kopite media. Carlo did probably the best thing for him taking him out of the spot light and giving him some decent competition. Since he’s been back in the team from the Anfield derby onwards he’s been absolutely spotless.

Unless an English goalkeeping prodigy appears next season, and Pickford’s form falls off a cliff, or Southgate resigns, he is almost certain to be England goalkeeper at the next World Cup. Very few English keepers have made three consecutive tournaments as number 1. Certainly Seaman and Hart two of the others made a host of errors that Pickford hasn’t. Like you said, it’s very likely he will go down as one of the great English goalkeepers in history.

@catcherintherye Pickford is level 4th for the most clean sheet in a tournament? For England i assume?

Do you know what he needs to achieve to reach 1st / 2nd / 3rd ?

Interestingly, hes now on 35 caps with the top 6:

1: Shilton 125
2: Hart 75
3: Seaman 75
4: Banks 73
5: Clemence 61
6: James 53

35 caps in 5 years and (as @Saint Domingo said) unless a superstar prodigy emerges for England in the next couple of years then he has a strong chance to break into that top 4 (much like Everton lol ).

I mentioned the other day that he only has 3 years on his deal. We need to get it renewed now before hes down to the last 2.

I hope his form continues with his calmness and he stays with us for a very long time

 

[BlueInNZ]

I like everyone else is happy to see him doing well...but..please give me a link to an outstanding save he's made in this tournament. What worries me is the Ingerlund press is building him up and as we've seen before,one mistake however how minor if they can hang it on him if they go out, he'll get slaughtered,which may reflect on his form for us next season.

Gordan Banks said you can tell the very best goalkeepers from the "outstanding saves" they dont have to make. But what does he know eh?

 

[davids]

His save against Scotland and his save against Havertz in the Germany game were both great. His commanding of the box has been really good all through the tournament.

Any mistake a keeper makes is going to result in the press and fans criticising. But mistakes also matter when they fall in a match so you have a chance to recover. Look at Unai Simon for Spain. Awful mistake, probably worse than any Pickford has made for Everton. But then he made 2 great saves to help them massively.

Dont worry about what might happen, enjoy the fact our keeper is doing incredibly well. Not just in this tournament but for the second half of the season for us too.

My only concern is how any blame he might have to endure from the press and opposition support if he did make a mistake that directly or indirectly led to Ingerlund going out might have on his form for Everton.

 

[davids]

Gordan Banks said you can tell the very best goalkeepers from the "outstanding saves" they dont have to make. But what does he know eh?

Think Banks was referring to making the difficult look easy by positioning. My point was more about the dangers of joining in with the English press and their often repeated campaigns of building up players with the specific intent of throwing them to the wolves when football doesn't "come home"

 

[BlueInNZ]

Think Banks was referring to making the difficult look easy by positioning. My point was more about the dangers of joining in with the English press and their often repeated campaigns of building up players with the specific intent of throwing them to the wolves when football doesn't "come home"

Banks was referring to all things goalkeeping, what you said, anticipation, and sorting your defence out in front of you.

I don't understand that JP has to make worldlies in England games to be considered world class. He has done everything he needs to and no mistakes (correct me if Im wrong but nothing I can think of that could be considered a mistake)

 

[catcherintherye]

@catcherintherye Pickford is level 4th for the most clean sheet in a tournament? For England i assume?

Do you know what he needs to achieve to reach 1st / 2nd / 3rd ?

Interestingly, hes now on 35 caps with the top 6:

1: Shilton 125
2: Hart 75
3: Seaman 75
4: Banks 73
5: Clemence 61
6: James 53

35 caps in 5 years and (as @Saint Domingo said) unless a superstar prodigy emerges for England in the next couple of years then he has a strong chance to break into that top 4 (much like Everton lol ).

I mentioned the other day that he only has 3 years on his deal. We need to get it renewed now before hes down to the last 2.

I hope his form continues with his calmness and he stays with us for a very long time

Yes he is now outright 4th. He has 5 clean sheets and the next target is Seaman on 8. He has every chance of getting close to Seaman in this tournament and will almost certainly start in the next World Cup too where I wouldn't be surprised if he overtakes him. In terms of appearances he is going to probably go past James by that point.

The more he plays as number 1, the more "used to" him being number 1 people will get as well so it becomes harder to drop him.

As for his deal here, I think I wait to see how he does next season and revisit it next season IMO.

 

[davids]

Banks was referring to all things goalkeeping, what you said, anticipation, and sorting your defence out in front of you.

I don't understand that JP has to make worldlies in England games to be considered world class. He has done everything he needs to and no mistakes (correct me if Im wrong but nothing I can think of that could be considered a mistake)

Im not saying he has made a mistake,just that this media driven adulation could very well blow up in his face and cause a drop in his form for us in the coming season. Please show me a link to a save in this competition that on an average match day eight out of ten Prem keepers wouldn't be expected to make.

 

[Jeff Jones]

Why did Nicol have to poke in say that, the t++t shoul;d shut it.

Well, he's on a football opinion show. His opinion in the Benitez appointment is pretty much that it's one that most of our supporters won't like and a poor choice at a time when Everton is preparing to move into a new stadium and to trying to build a team to challenge for Europe and it could be disruptive. Not his exact words but that sums it up.

 

[Wizard]

My only concern is how any blame he might have to endure from the press and opposition support if he did make a mistake that directly or indirectly led to Ingerlund going out might have on his form for Everton.

I wouldn't worry. He's going to score the winning penalty in the final and July 11th will be renamed St Jordan's Day

 

[Kever10]

I've been 1 of Pickfords critics on here, and honestly, like @catcherintherye said earlier, I was not impressed at Sunderland and did not want us to buy him, certainly for that amount. Contrary to most people, I wasn't even impressed in his 1st year when lots said he was our best player, he even won player of the season, which I thought was over the top, albeit in a poor side with few stand outs.

I stated many times that I believe he is something of a liability and he seemed rather than learning from mistakes he doubled down on them, but to be fair, since Carlo rotated him and took him out the firing like, he definitely seems to have a new focus. He seems far less erratic and more calm in his decision making and positioning. Rather than appearing manic, he looks like he has matured a lot, and a good tournament is good for us and for him.

Its still hard to know if this is a good patch or the previous was a bad patch. He will need to show a level of consistency for a while before we know either way. But at the very least more assured performances, including a good tournament, will only mean we will benefit, either by increasing his value or by providing us with a regular keeper for the foreseeable.

 

[DanEFC92]

Getting weird/annoying this.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

Southgate is a manager who believes in his keeper and Jordan as his number one, another decision fully vindicated by his performances for England.

There's a difference playing behind the solid dependable Harry Maguire and John Stones with the likes of Declan Rice and Kelvin Phillips forming a shield that rarely gets exposed. Pickford doesn't have to be making decisions and saves every few minutes like here were his brain can get frazzled, but just the big moments, once or twice a match, this is his level and he excels.

He's rapidly becoming an England legend, a bit of a stretch now admittedly, but he's building on his superb world cup and becoming a fans' favourite. If Southgate and his sports psychologist can get his concentration levels right, cutting out the brain fades and panic moments he shows for us, then he can get better with age.

He's relatively young for a top keeper who only reach their prime in their very late twenties and thirties, keepers mature like a fine wine with Pickford threatening to be a best vintage in years to come.

 

[Osamabindiesel]

I’m glad he is doing well and hopefully his confidence carries over to the league. But didn’t he have a very good World Cup too? I’m not getting my hopes up, but good luck lad. Would be nice not to have to blow the budget on a keeper

 

[Bedfordblue]

@catcherintherye Pickford is level 4th for the most clean sheet in a tournament? For England i assume?

Do you know what he needs to achieve to reach 1st / 2nd / 3rd ?

Interestingly, hes now on 35 caps with the top 6:

1: Shilton 125
2: Hart 75
3: Seaman 75
4: Banks 73
5: Clemence 61
6: James 53

35 caps in 5 years and (as @Saint Domingo said) unless a superstar prodigy emerges for England in the next couple of years then he has a strong chance to break into that top 4 (much like Everton lol ).

I mentioned the other day that he only has 3 years on his deal. We need to get it renewed now before hes down to the last 2.

I hope his form continues with his calmness and he stays with us for a very long time

I find it quite amazing Hart got that many caps but has disappeared basically because Pep didn’t fancy him. Either destroyed his confidence or he simply cba now. Not like he’s over the hill for a goalie