2022/23 Kevin Thelwell

[TheFinnFan]

do or die...so to speak

 

[Billy Dean]

We should’ve signed Garner and not bothered with Onana. He is not and was never what we need right now.

If his quotes in the media are to be believed it was Lampard who was strongly pushing for Onana

 

[MikeH72]

If his quotes in the media are to be believed it was Lampard who was strongly pushing for Onana

The DOF should’ve overruled him then. He’s above the manager and is essentially head of recruitment. Lampard’s proven he doesn’t have a clue about anything, he didn’t even know what to do with Onana, he was playing him essentially up front.

 

[woomy]

The DOF should’ve overruled him then. He’s above the manager and is essentially head of recruitment. Lampard’s proven he doesn’t have a clue about anything, he didn’t even know what to do with Onana, he was playing him essentially up front.

You would assume that was the case. But look at Brands and Walsh.
It's been dire management. We have no idea what this guys remit is and who he actually answers to.
As for Onana to answer others we can't have it both ways. We can't say go buy young talent that will make us some money, but then cry about it, when we do exactly that.
Now I am no fan of Onana, I do think we had other priorities. But the lad is gonna make a profit. Exactly what a ton on here were crying for us to do. If we sell, we have have say £45m to play with after sell on fees have been deducted. Yep we should have got a striker, but that deal, if and when we sell the lad, will give us.more wiggle room than we had. Plus who is to say the striker we brought In would be any good. If you don't have service, you ain't gonna score.
Plus when we made the deal, dcl was on one of his non crock days.

 

[the golden visionary]

I think the onana deal represents the way forward for this club. Buy in a good young player with potential and sell him on fir a big profit.

We've spend half a billion on semi big names, and ended up with a squad full of unsellable assets.

The dortmund model should be looked at.

 

[Billy Dean]

You would assume that was the case. But look at Brands and Walsh.
It's been dire management. We have no idea what this guys remit is and who he actually answers to.
As for Onana to answer others we can't have it both ways. We can't say go buy young talent that will make us some money, but then cry about it, when we do exactly that.
Now I am no fan of Onana, I do think we had other priorities. But the lad is gonna make a profit. Exactly what a ton on here were crying for us to do. If we sell, we have have say £45m to play with after sell on fees have been deducted. Yep we should have got a striker, but that deal, if and when we sell the lad, will give us.more wiggle room than we had. Plus who is to say the striker we brought In would be any good. If you don't have service, you ain't gonna score.
Plus when we made the deal, dcl was on one of his non crock days.

FM probably told KT to think of Onana as a present to the manager

 

[twoblue]

….he nearly got us relegated with his gross negligence of not bringing in an effective striker in 2 windows. As you say, Maupay was a poor signing but let’s not forget we started last season with Gordon as a central striker. Maupay was not only a dreadful signing, he also came in way to late.

He doesn’t deserve any goodwill as far as I’m concerned, he’s very much one of those accountable for us nearly going down.

I still defend the Maupay signing (although it never worked out), in that he was bought to replace Richarlison as a second goal-scoring threat to play off the left wth DCL up front. It never worked out, but it was never going to be a target man which is where he has been asked to play.I dont think there will be anyway back now for him, but I would have liked to see him contibuting from the left side and DCL upfront

 

[MACCA75]

I still defend the Maupay signing (although it never worked out), in that he was bought to replace Richarlison as a second goal-scoring threat to play off the left wth DCL up front. It never worked out, but it was never going to be a target man which is where he has been asked to play.I dont think there will be anyway back now for him, but I would have liked to see him contibuting from the left side and DCL upfront

If that was the plan then why have they never started a game together? Lampard had chances to do it.

 

[Eggs]

I still defend the Maupay signing (although it never worked out), in that he was bought to replace Richarlison as a second goal-scoring threat to play off the left wth DCL up front. It never worked out, but it was never going to be a target man which is where he has been asked to play.I dont think there will be anyway back now for him, but I would have liked to see him contibuting from the left side and DCL upfront

….the good folk of GOT identified DCL would have a career dogged by injury around 2 years ago. If Maupay was signed as a 2nd striker to DCL, it makes it worst that Thelwell is paid £m & thinks DCL will be robust enough to play regularly.

We started the season with Gordon as a central striker & finished it with Gray. Thelwell’s negligence is even worst if he brought in Maupay for Richarlison & thought DCL would be fit.

 

[twoblue]

….the good folk of GOT identified DCL would have a career dogged by injury around 2 years ago. If Maupay was signed as a 2nd striker to DCL, it makes it worst that Thelwell is paid £m & thinks DCL will be robust enough to play regularly.

We started the season with Gordon as a central striker & finished it with Gray. Thelwell’s negligence is even worst if he brought in Maupay for Richarlison & thought DCL would be fit.

Don’t disagree, but he has been working with fresh air. And there not much value in that market.
Every striker we were linked with January would have proved to be a flop. Spurs lad and ayew. Difficult to be successful

 

[jerseytoffee]

….the good folk of GOT identified DCL would have a career dogged by injury around 2 years ago. If Maupay was signed as a 2nd striker to DCL, it makes it worst that Thelwell is paid £m & thinks DCL will be robust enough to play regularly.

We started the season with Gordon as a central striker & finished it with Gray. Thelwell’s negligence is even worst if he brought in Maupay for Richarlison & thought DCL would be fit.

I think it’s got Kenwrights grubby hands all over the recent transfer windows thinking he’s a master tactician and best negotiator in the business.

Both windows felt like when Moyes was here leaving everything to the last minute, Bill thinking ‘What would David do?’ for the best deals, but January especially backfired.

Hope to see positive changes when he’s gone but it’s probably too late for this window.

 

[Nymzee]

Don’t disagree, but he has been working with fresh air. And there not much value in that market.
Every striker we were linked with January would have proved to be a flop. Spurs lad and ayew. Difficult to be successful

Available in the Summer for loan and linked to us; tall, strong, fast: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/serhou-guirassy/leistungsdaten/spieler/270541

Not sure why you're so fervently defending him. Probs the only guy on this forum to do so.

 

[Eggs]

Don’t disagree, but he has been working with fresh air. And there not much value in that market.
Every striker we were linked with January would have proved to be a flop. Spurs lad and ayew. Difficult to be successful

…fresh air? he’s spent plenty of monies on other positions but not on the key priority.

I really don’t get this ‘not much value in the market’ view. He’s supposed to have a handle on the global market. He’s paid a lot of money to find players that meet the teams requirements. If he’s not found a central striker in the whole wide world in two windows then he shouldn’t be in his job.

He admits to being a ‘Line Manager’, we need a Football man.

 

[Llyrap]

Of concern is that I get the feeling that he and others on the footballing management side considered that our first brush with relegation was an aberration. I remember it being obvious in Ancelotti's last 13 games that we were lacking creativity and finishers. That was with Richy and a relatively fit DCL . That was a missed opportunity as we were 7th with 13 games to go and whilst we won difficult games we lost or drew the easier games as we didn't have enough fire power.

The Gyokeres links are interesting. Brighton are probably the best recruiters (amongst our nearest peers) and they sold him to Coventry for 1 million 2 years ago. In other words they didn't rate him at that time and given that their talent spotting is pretty impressive.............

I've just seen that they signed Jao Pedro which is a shame as he would have been a great Richy replacement.

With Thelwell we simply do not know what was happening behind the scenes. It appears that ultimately he wasn't the ultimate decision maker and whilst admittedly Maupay has been a disaster the remainder of the signings have been reasonable. Vinagre took a loan space but at least it was only a loan.

 

[nevsonlymate]

Or.
We couldn't afford to pay the loan fee and wages cause of ffp.
I honestly feel last seasons dealings had 1 aim. Bring the losses down.
Wouldn't be surprised to see it again this seaaon.
With the rolling 3 year thingy, we have this last season and the previous 2 seasons to take into account. I wouldn't be surprised if we are still hampered in our spending.

Most likely we will spend whatever we bring in, in sales this summer. I expect Onana and Grey maybe Simms and Dobbin if we can get buyers, to go and then we will spend close to that amount. If not less. Could even see us trying to make a profit this year to help for the following season.

The man is seriously hammpered in what he can do. Hopefully he has lined up some unknown bargain names.

We had a striker in Jan ready to go until we sacked FL then he buggered off to Spurs was that it we only had 1 striker on the list to go for, we must have had the money for a loan , it was lucky it went the way it ended