2024/25 Kevin Thelwell

[barneygumble]

Largely correct - but not sure how Broja can be considered a pass, were paying his wages, not sure but likely paid some fee, he's played about a 100 minutes and managed to come off injured in 2 out of 4 games played once by kicking the floor, by the times he's back the season will be essentially over and he used up a valuable loan spot for domestic which badly restricted us in January.

As hard a fail as you can imagine really.

As for given Harrison a pass, sorry, but what? 90k per week, so close on 5m this season firvan utter pile of tripe.

Beto is definitely TBD as well so far he's been a fail, he's hardly done a thing in a year and a half and we paid 24m for him - continues like he did at the weekend then a different story ofc.

In regards to all 3 if these signings, they've had intricacies which have to be commended.

Pass or fail, the fact we had no money and managed to defer on Beto is commendable. Do I think Beto is decent? At the time I referred to him as a "plodder", I think that's still the case... but play to his strengths (balls he can run on to) and he might pass.

Broja - he's got to be considered a neutral signing. Didn't pay a penny of his wages until he began training. His injury rate speaks for his self and it was a gamble, and one which hasn't worked out (goes into Danjuma territory for me).

Harrison clearly there to fill a void. What seems like he fit the mould of what Dyche wanted, I dont think weve paid a penny for him.

So whilst he's a very poor player, was a body we could afford.

Far from a Thelwell apologist, but for me, i don't think many men could have performed a better job, given the circumstances, and I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss him.

 

[catcherintherye]

Largely correct - but not sure how Broja can be considered a pass, were paying his wages, not sure but likely paid some fee, he's played about a 100 minutes and managed to come off injured in 2 out of 4 games played once by kicking the floor, by the times he's back the season will be essentially over and he used up a valuable loan spot for domestic which badly restricted us in January.

As hard a fail as you can imagine really.

As for given Harrison a pass, sorry, but what? 90k per week, so close on 5m this season firvan utter pile of tripe.

Beto is definitely TBD as well so far he's been a fail, he's hardly done a thing in a year and a half and we paid 24m for him - continues like he did at the weekend then a different story ofc.

Broja is a big mistake for me, as he seems to have ignored a lot of what he was doing previously. Basically buying people with a good injury record who are rugged, which has worked well.

We bought a very injury prone player, who was injured at the time of signing him. You can say it's unlucky, but you are massively gambling when you do that, and it's wasted a precious domestic loan spot.

As you say, I'm not really sure Beto is not a fail.at this point too. Hopefully he can change that perception, but we need to see more than 1 really good game IMO.

 

[bluestevon]

In regards to all 3 if these signings, they've had intricacies which have to be commended.

Pass or fail, the fact we had no money and managed to defer on Beto is commendable. Do I think Beto is decent? At the time I referred to him as a "plodder", I think that's still the case... but play to his strengths (balls he can run on to) and he might pass.

Broja - he's got to be considered a neutral signing. Didn't pay a penny of his wages until he began training. His injury rate speaks for his self and it was a gamble, and one which hasn't worked out (goes into Danjuma territory for me).

Harrison clearly there to fill a void. What seems like he fit the mould of what Dyche wanted, I dont think weve paid a penny for him.

So whilst he's a very poor player, was a body we could afford.

Far from a Thelwell apologist, but for me, i don't think many men could have performed a better job, given the circumstances, and I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss him.

Harrison over two seasons will have cost us 10m mate, he's not playing for nothing. Simply put a bad piece of business, a bad loan is still a bad piece of business just not as bad as buying the lad for a fee and being stuck with him.
Same as extending Colemans contract was a bad transaction as it'll cost the club 3-4m over the season for essentially a good lad around the dressing room.

Everyone always leaves Dele off these lists too btw, over 10-12m quid minimum thrown down the drain.

 

[little elfin]

People keep saying that Moyes is the man in charge in this window so...

 

[bluestevon]

Broja is a big mistake for me, as he seems to have ignored a lot of what he was doing previously. Basically buying people with a good injury record who are rugged, which has worked well.

We bought a very injury prone player, who was injured at the time of signing him. You can say it's unlucky, but you are massively gambling when you do that, and it's wasted a precious domestic loan spot.

As you say, I'm not really sure Beto is not a fail.at this point too. Hopefully he can change that perception, but we need to see more than 1 really good game IMO.

We have to analyse as a club we use PSR as a reason we are restricted. Currently over the three year assessment period.

Dele - 10-12m
Harrison - 8-10m
Danjuma - 5m
Broja - 2-3m (assuming no fee)

That's a total minimum of 25m quid of our PSR limit gone on 4 absolutely terrible loan deals.

In the current regs, loans get ignored when over time they add up hugely towards our issues

 

[catcherintherye]

We have to analyse as a club we use PSR as a reason we are restricted. Currently over the three year assessment period.

Dele - 10-12m
Harrison - 8-10m
Danjuma - 5m
Broja - 2-3m (assuming no fee)

That's a total minimum of 25m quid of our PSR limit gone on 4 absolutely terrible loan deals.

In the current regs, loans get ignored when over time they add up hugely towards our issues

I'm almost certain there will be a few for Broja too mate, and suspect his wages may be higher. In fairness to KT Dele Alli was before his time but so get the point.

From memory, Moyes used loans differently, essentially as an alternative to a player you would buy over but probably wanted to de risk a bit. I would say that was a better use of the system.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I dont understand the idea that if we'd bought someone it would just have been a panic buy anyway. If we go by that logic we'll never spend money ever again in case it goes wrong.

It is the job of the DOF and recruitment team to find players who make the squad better and who can play at top flight level. I dont understand how anyone can look at the depth and quality of our squad and think that's too big an ask. That there have been no attacking players with pace out there over the last few years who could have come in and helped the team.

The decision isn't between a panic buy or doing nothing. Players should be lined up well in advance of a window even opening. It shouldn't be a 20 or 30m signing or nothing. When was the last time we identified an up and coming player in the 5 to 10m range.

It's been a difficult job at Everton to recruit players - very difficult at times. But overall I think with the new ownership it makes sense to have a complete change and overhaul of the recruitment team. The decision over recent years not to prioritise attacking players has absolutely baffled me. Its time we started prioritising goals and attacking threat and stopped ignoring the obvious problems in the squad.

We don't know the reason why but at the end of the day, Moyes has not been backed. And I'm not happy about that.

 

[stamullenblue]

First how about we turn the bold off ok?

Just going down the list of Thelwell's signings of note they're mostly all at worst passable. I mean just simple pass or fail, was this a total waste or did we at least make something out of it you're going to get mostly passes. Here is the list:

Onana (sold at profit, pass)
McNeil (say what you want he hasn't been a disaster, pass)
Maupay (probably the worst one on the list, fail)
Garner (pass)
Gueye (pass)
Tarkowski (pass)
Coady/Vinagre on loan (whatever, two fails for me but Coady can be a pass easily)
Beto (I guess tbd?, seems like it'll end up as a pass)
Chermiti (more TBD than anything)
Danjuma (fail, but an inexpensive one)
Young (pass)
Harrison (pass)
O'Brien (seems likely to be a pass)
Ndiaye (could be way more than just a pass)
Iroegbunam (pass)
Lindstrom (pass)
Mangala (pass)
Broja (I'd still say pass but if you want to go fail it's a small one)
Begovic (lol)
Alcaraz (TBD)

I know this is simple and generous, but the point here isn't to say he's built the greatest squad ever so much as to say given the constraints, and there have been so many constraints, he's done a good job to not hemorrhage cash, find improvements at lower prices and actually get something out of the real money when he has it to spend. You put someone who might actually develop a player or two in charge and we might have something here. Frankly for the first time since Moyes first tenure it really does feel like there's some real planning behind who we're signing.

I'd actually be pretty upset if they ripped it up right now. We might have the ability to spend more than we take in this summer and I want the guy who has found talent without that luxury to have a real shot at it.

Well written and researched. The only major points you have missed are we have no cover for full back and one fit striker leaving us a couple of injuries away from a mess .Hope of course that doesnt happen ! Oh and as for the bold text that was probably the frustration of the much higher expectation i had for yesterday ..

 

[Billy Dean]

We have to analyse as a club we use PSR as a reason we are restricted. Currently over the three year assessment period.

Dele - 10-12m
Harrison - 8-10m
Danjuma - 5m
Broja - 2-3m (assuming no fee)

That's a total minimum of 25m quid of our PSR limit gone on 4 absolutely terrible loan deals.

In the current regs, loans get ignored when over time they add up hugely towards our issues

Dele is nothing to do with KT

 

[hallamblue]

I dont understand the idea that if we'd bought someone it would just have been a panic buy anyway. If we go by that logic we'll never spend money ever again in case it goes wrong.

It is the job of the DOF and recruitment team to find players who make the squad better and who can play at top flight level. I dont understand how anyone can look at the depth and quality of our squad and think that's too big an ask. That there have been no attacking players with pace out there over the last few years who could have come in and helped the team.

The decision isn't between a panic buy or doing nothing. Players should be lined up well in advance of a window even opening. It shouldn't be a 20 or 30m signing or nothing. When was the last time we identified an up and coming player in the 5 to 10m range.

It's been a difficult job at Everton to recruit players - very difficult at times. But overall I think with the new ownership it makes sense to have a complete change and overhaul of the recruitment team. The decision over recent years not to prioritise attacking players has absolutely baffled me. Its time we started prioritising goals and attacking threat and stopped ignoring the obvious problems in the squad.

We don't know the reason why but at the end of the day, Moyes has not been backed. And I'm not happy about that.

Moyes hasn't been backed because he's won 3 games and we don't look like being relegated which we did under Dyche. We'll see in the summer what the intentions are. If we don't spend money we'll be in real trouble next season given the number of players who are out of contract.

 

[Bob Elstone]

He must have been scratching his bald dome unable to find a crocked striker who doesn’t score goals to replace the same.

 

[Evertonthat]

I'm sure this must have been mentioned on here, but now that the January window is done, is Thelwell just on a wind down until the summer?

Surely now is the time to either extend his contract (so he can be working on his summer targets) or replace him with someone else who can begin their summer work.

 

[EFC_FRANCIS]

I'm sure this must have been mentioned on here, but now that the January window is done, is Thelwell just on a wind down until the summer?

Surely now is the time to either extend his contract (so he can be working on his summer targets) or replace him with someone else who can begin their summer work.

You would think so but this is Everton who take 3 days and a deal sheet to confirm a transfer the other side have already accepted. A decision will be made on Kev in June

 

[Tony’s Carp]

I'm sure this must have been mentioned on here, but now that the January window is done, is Thelwell just on a wind down until the summer?

Surely now is the time to either extend his contract (so he can be working on his summer targets) or replace him with someone else who can begin their summer work.

Yeah we need TFG to get the finger out a bit now. I assume there’s been no decision either way because they want a CEO involved in the decision (which is as it should be). So they need to get that sorted ASAP, they’ve been in a while now, time to get the senior structure in place.

 

[bluestevon]

Yeah we need TFG to get the finger out a bit now. I assume there’s been no decision either way because they want a CEO involved in the decision (which is as it should be). So they need to get that sorted ASAP, they’ve been in a while now, time to get the senior structure in place.

CEO needs to be the next thing sorted before anything else. Need the very best we can acquire.