2024/25 Kevin Thelwell

[Tony’s Carp]

The way I see it, he's had to make a profit in every window, sell before buying.

The buying has often been from a shortlist of being available for £0.

Other than Leicester, we've spent (not even net, just actual spend) the lowest in the league since he arrived. Leeds have been in the championship 2 years and have spent more in the last 3 years than us.

People bang on about Beto, but forget we only had Calvert-Lewin and started a season without scoring a goal in 3 games and the window was 2 days from closing and we had literally, £0 upfront.

Gyokeres, Kudus, Minteh, Elanga, Gnonto - all we've wanted but had £0 to spend upfront or had to have other players leave as part of a deal.

I've no idea whether Thelwell is any good. Can only judge him on what he's done here, and there's a massive asterisk against that given he joined a club that was a circus.

When you look at the routine spending of most other clubs it’s a big ask to maintain a PL level squad at break even. And the job we’ve asked of him hasn’t even been that. Just about every penny in sales has been whipped away from him to keep the lights on.

Sell to buy would be tough but manageable, sell to keep the club from administration oh and keep us in the PL too please nigh on impossible. The angry brigade don’t want to hear “excuses” but it’s been the defining feature of his time here.

 

[SLAVEN BILIC]

If TFG are wanting their own person in this role it needs to be done soon so they have time to build a relationship with Moyes and identify targets before the window opens. Going into the summer with no plan (or with somebody getting up to speed) will be a disaster.

With that being said, Thelwell’s a kopite and needs volleying to the sun immediately

 

[Tony’s Carp]

CEO needs to be the next thing sorted before anything else. Need the very best we can acquire.

It really, really can’t be emphasised enough how much permanent senior leadership is needed right now.

Right now is the exact time you need the CEO, the manager, the DoF and the head of recruitment sitting down with the projected budget for summer (which will be significant) and discussing how they are going to spend it.

If the manager and the CEO are unhappy with what the DoF and HoR are bringing to the table fine, there is time to replace him. If they all broadly agree on approach then you need to extend the DoF beyond the summer because you can’t change course halfway through. Then you get to work right away.

But none of this can happen without a permanent CEO leading the discussion and the strategic direction.

TFG have instant brownie points for the managerial change (and even that was forced on them) but the failure to appoint senior leadership still has the club in the same sort of stasis we’ve had the last few years. Need action now because the summer will come round quickly.

 

[siddharth]

Can we get someone to manage the summer window and put Thelwell on gardening leave?

 

[bluestevon]

It really, really can’t be emphasised enough how much permanent senior leadership is needed right now.

Right now is the exact time you need the CEO, the manager, the DoF and the head of recruitment sitting down with the projected budget for summer (which will be significant) and discussing how they are going to spend it.

If the manager and the CEO are unhappy with what the DoF and HoR are bringing to the table fine, there is time to replace him. If they all broadly agree on approach then you need to extend the DoF beyond the summer because you can’t change course halfway through. Then you get to work right away.

But none of this can happen without a permanent CEO leading the discussion and the strategic direction.

TFG have instant brownie points for the managerial change (and even that was forced on them) but the failure to appoint senior leadership still has the club in the same sort of stasis we’ve had the last few years. Need action now because the summer will come round quickly.

TFG have a big plus they do things professionally.
A big negative is the exact same thing though

The CEO they are using a recruitment company to analyse the best available person, it takes time ofc doing that and if the best person isn't available until x date then they will wait it out as most businesses would.

It's frustrating and mong term it is the correct way, but short term it's not great

I my comfort I have is that short term has keyd to close to a disaster for the club, maybe we need the dispassionate corporate approach at the top

 

[Only-Blue-toffees]

Thelwell has got to go and if someone who has worked in the background with transfers at the club also needs to go it’s like someone has been in the role hidden for the past 20 years who deals with it all because every window we take forever to get deals done and always on deadline day trying to scramble a deal across the line. It’s pathetic every other club gets things done in good time even on deadline day. Maybe don’t have a DOF, leave it to Moyes I trust him he knows what he wants and is looking for he knows Everton he loves the club. Things need to change and quickly before the summer window opens needs a proper plan ahead of time and if we funds for players get them done in good time

 

[Tony’s Carp]

TFG have a big plus they do things professionally.
A big negative is the exact same thing though

The CEO they are using a recruitment company to analyse the best available person, it takes time ofc doing that and if the best person isn't available until x date then they will wait it out as most businesses would.

It's frustrating and mong term it is the correct way, but short term it's not great

I my comfort I have is that short term has keyd to close to a disaster for the club, maybe we need the dispassionate corporate approach at the top

Yeah long term I think it’ll all be fine. Frustrating at the minute though.

I do think we need to start summer planning right now so if the CEO search is projected to take months more, and it’s right that the CEO then needs to be involved in the long term DoF decision, then right now we maybe need to extend KT beyond the summer and let him begin the planning.

Massive summer of recruitment and the planning can’t be delayed for months.

 

[trueblue84]

TFG have a big plus they do things professionally.
A big negative is the exact same thing though

The CEO they are using a recruitment company to analyse the best available person, it takes time ofc doing that and if the best person isn't available until x date then they will wait it out as most businesses would.

It's frustrating and mong term it is the correct way, but short term it's not great

I my comfort I have is that short term has keyd to close to a disaster for the club, maybe we need the dispassionate corporate approach at the top

Can I just check... Is this a typo or deliberate? You've made the same "mistake" in multiple posts. It's an offensive term, so just seems a bit odd.

 

[jinkyali]

No CEO will be announced till they have served their notice period. Which they may well be doing now.

 

[bluestevon]

Yeah long term I think it’ll all be fine. Frustrating at the minute though.

I do think we need to start summer planning right now so if th e CEO search is projected to take months more, and it’s right that the CEO then needs to be involved in the long term DoF decision, then right now we maybe need to extend KT beyond the summer and let him begin the planning.

Massive summer of recruitment and the planning can’t be delayed for months.

In truth we need to be already speaking with agents, conversations like 'if your playing time doesn't improve, if you don't get promoted etc' find out right now intentions and put a marker of interest down early.

Hell nothing stopping us agreeing deals for the summer next month in actuality.

 

[paultheblue]

In fairness to Kev does anybody have any idea how the PSR rules actually work as you need to have a Philadelphia lawyer along side just to talk to a player.
From what I can make out PSR still stands for this season which I assume covers this season and the previous two.
They are also trialling SCR ( squad cost rules ) which limits your spending on all players costs to 85% of your total turnover.
Apparently this is not binding so I assume it can be ignored if clubs don't like it.
If a club is in European competition it comes down to 70%( don't know how it works if say a team like Forest get into Europe without the turnover of the bigger clubs).
Of course this is just my take on the situation and I could be completely wrong.

 

[bluestevon]

Can I just check... Is this a typo or deliberate? You've made the same "mistake" in multiple posts. It's an offensive term, so just seems a bit odd.

Seriously? What you reckon mate - I'm carrying out a secret mission to use a word I've not said in about 35 years. Bit only ever instead of the word long?

Or is it way more likely I'm catching the m key by accident and auto correct isn't catching it?

 

[Liam-EFC]

Kopite kev

 

[Jokerdan]

Be afraid, very afraid, sausage fingers!

 

[Billy Dean]

In fairness to Kev does anybody have any idea how the PSR rules actually work as you need to have a Philadelphia lawyer along side just to talk to a player.
From what I can make out PSR still stands for this season which I assume covers this season and the previous two.
They are also trialling SCR ( squad cost rules ) which limits your spending on all players costs to 85% of your total turnover.
Apparently this is not binding so I assume it can be ignored if clubs don't like it.
If a club is in European competition it comes down to 70%( don't know how it works if say a team like Forest get into Europe without the turnover of the bigger clubs).
Of course this is just my take on the situation and I could be completely wrong.

Moyes himself said PSR is still a factor