2024/25 Kevin Thelwell

[bluestevon]

PSR exacerbates your mistakes (unless you're Chelsea and you just make stuff up!). Once you've signed players on big wages who you can't get rid of it really weighs you down. Hopefully we've learnt from this and buy young players with potential on lower wages, or older players with a good work ethic who don't earn as much as they used to. That was how we built our best ever team.

Agree but think most teams have also cottoned on to the need to do similar.

It's a further reason you now see regularly 20-25m fees going to buy 21-23yos from the championship or the big academies products

 

[JohnJq]

Broja has always been a player of potential over substance.

He had a decent loan spell at Saints (3 years ago?) outside of that he's been either on the fringe of the Chelsea squad, disappointing in loan spells or injured, often a combination of any of those two factors.

It's now at the point that the talented young 20yo prospect is gonna be 24yo a few weeks into next season. At a certain point you have to look past the obvious potential with the talent he appears to have the possibility of and look at the reality.

To take any chance on him now, and for it to be worth it the following factors all have to occur.

He has to live up to his potential at the age of 24 having not improved over the 20yo version.
He has to stay fit, which in four years he's not managed ever to do.
He has to not only stay fit, improve on what he does decent already, but also add goals to his game - which as a striker is kind of his job.

I'd have misgivings about him on a free at this point, never mind throwing actual money to buy him - plus Chelsea will still do show think they can get a good fee for him.

Broja won't ever make it as a starter in this league as simply putting it, he can't stay fit and when he is fit he's not good enough to outweigh the long periods out.

Broja to me looks like he eats too much ajvar and balkava.

 

[Billy Dean]

PSR exacerbates your mistakes (unless you're Chelsea and you just make stuff up!). Once you've signed players on big wages who you can't get rid of it really weighs you down. Hopefully we've learnt from this and buy young players with potential on lower wages, or older players with a good work ethic who don't earn as much as they used to. That was how we built our best ever team.

This is exactly what we've been doing under Thelwell

 

[ToffeeTim]

40-50m could end up getting you a Delap, throwing 30m on Broja would be insanity.

Reckon he has lots of interest, and bigger clubs than Everton

 

[bluestevon]

Reckon he has lots of interest, and bigger clubs than Everton

He should do yup, but is he getting bought by the top 5-6 as a starter with the lack of experience in Europe especially?

Plus Ipswich are hamstrung on the sale and a weird one for bidding clubs, soon as the price hits around 40m city are better off activating his buyback and selling him on or loaning him out then selling the year after

 

[royvernon39]

Kev has done a top job in a tight corner and you know what- we may all have been wrong about Beto.
He might just come good.
But the Ndaiye and Jake purchases were very smart and the Tim O. move was sharp.

 

[Simon Buttle]

Kev has done a top job in a tight corner and you know what- we may all have been wrong about Beto.
He might just come good.
But the Ndaiye and Jake purchases were very smart and the Tim O. move was sharp.

Possibly his best purchase for me, I know we made money on Onana but we never saw the best of the player, be interesting to see if Thelwell stays on.

 

[Tony’s Carp]

Kev has done a top job in a tight corner and you know what- we may all have been wrong about Beto.
He might just come good.
But the Ndaiye and Jake purchases were very smart and the Tim O. move was sharp.

Looking back at his summer window, especially now we can evaluate the team post-Dyche, I really think it’s under-appreciated.

He resolved PSR using Dobbin and Godfrey and gained a player in Tim who potentially is better than either.

He had multiple signings in well in advance of the season- including Ndiaye who increasingly looks one of the signings of the season across the whole league.

He had to also navigate the TFG collapse putting us back to square one cash flow wise. The briefing from the club was that nothing changed but it’s clear from that point on all transfer spending pretty much ceased other than wheeling and dealing a couple of free loans.

Crucially dealt with both PSR and the financial peril without having to sell Branthwaite, which is bigger than any incoming.

But people will have it down as some sort of disaster because of his last minute punt on Broja, which admittedly didn’t work out, but hardly negates a lot of great work in difficult and ever changing circumstances.

 

[MACCA75]

Kev has done a top job in a tight corner and you know what- we may all have been wrong about Beto.
He might just come good.
But the Ndaiye and Jake purchases were very smart and the Tim O. move was sharp.

Gonna hold fire on Jake. He’s played 3 games. People were calling Godfrey a great signing for a fair while.

 

[bluestevon]

Reckon he has lots of interest, and bigger clubs than Everton

Looked into it a bit, getting linked by pretty much all the media with United (TOP TARGET!), Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs.

Problem is they all go on about Ipswich to demand 50m....

Mdn City have a 30m buy back clause - and a chance to stop a direct rival or United especially so from getting in there main choice, ofc they'll just activate the clause as it's almost a none decision to do so.

 

[bluestevon]

Looking back at his summer window, especially now we can evaluate the team post-Dyche, I really think it’s under-appreciated.

He resolved PSR using Dobbin and Godfrey and gained a player in Tim who potentially is better than either.

He had multiple signings in well in advance of the season- including Ndiaye who increasingly looks one of the signings of the season across the whole league.

He had to also navigate the TFG collapse putting us back to square one cash flow wise. The briefing from the club was that nothing changed but it’s clear from that point on all transfer spending pretty much ceased other than wheeling and dealing a couple of free loans.

Crucially dealt with both PSR and the financial peril without having to sell Branthwaite, which is bigger than any incoming.

But people will have it down as some sort of disaster because of his last minute punt on Broja, which admittedly didn’t work out, but hardly negates a lot of great work in difficult and ever changing circumstances.

Brother did a piece that just just went up over on RBM, touches on the subject of should we sign Lindstrom and delves into his stats, a good read mate

 

[bluestevon]

Looking back at his summer window, especially now we can evaluate the team post-Dyche, I really think it’s under-appreciated.

He resolved PSR using Dobbin and Godfrey and gained a player in Tim who potentially is better than either.

He had multiple signings in well in advance of the season- including Ndiaye who increasingly looks one of the signings of the season across the whole league.

He had to also navigate the TFG collapse putting us back to square one cash flow wise. The briefing from the club was that nothing changed but it’s clear from that point on all transfer spending pretty much ceased other than wheeling and dealing a couple of free loans.

Crucially dealt with both PSR and the financial peril without having to sell Branthwaite, which is bigger than any incoming.

But people will have it down as some sort of disaster because of his last minute punt on Broja, which admittedly didn’t work out, but hardly negates a lot of great work in difficult and ever changing circumstances.

Looking into it btw, I think we did t pay any loan fee on any of Broja, Harrison or Mangala only Lindstrom which we did (don't think we have on Alcaraz either).
That does mitigate the fact the loans were very 50/50 in success.
Permanent signings in Ndiaye, O'Brien and Tim all initially look to be very good buys of business.

Getting decent money for Dobbin, Godfrey and Maupay goes in the summer too remember for an ok fee. All those represent very good offloads for us.

So far nobody has been offered a extension who shouldn't have, again it's sensible.

If he does leave I will guarantee he gets another role somewhere quickly after as he's proven himself - certainly at handling major financial restrictions

 

[Tony’s Carp]

Brother did a piece that just just went up over on RBM, touches on the subject of should we sign Lindstrom and delves into his stats, a good read mate

Good piece, and a fair assessment of the window I think. Some interesting numbers around Lindstrøm and will be interesting to see which direction they go in under Moyes.

The lack of end product is still glaring though so the jury’s out- at the same time he might turn out to be a player like Iwobi who is maybe more appreciated by manager and teammates for versatility and hard work than a lot of fans might give credit for.

 

[Simon Buttle]

Gonna hold fire on Jake. He’s played 3 games. People were calling Godfrey a great signing for a fair while.

Exactly, he is a CB who we haven't actually seen play CB properly yet, he could stink the place out (Signs are he won't atm thankfully)

 

[bluestevon]

Good piece, and a fair assessment of the window I think. Some interesting numbers around Lindstrøm and will be interesting to see which direction they go in under Moyes.

The lack of end product is still glaring though so the jury’s out- at the same time he might turn out to be a player like Iwobi who is maybe more appreciated by manager and teammates for versatility and hard work than a lot of fans might give credit for.

Just got a weird feeling he's gonna have a great derby and no idea why I think that either