2024/25 Kevin Thelwell

[maccavennie]

Baffling point of view. You, along with a few others, expect miracles it seems. You’re completely ignoring the fact that he’s literally had less resources to work with than ANY other club in the division. In fact, he’s had to make a profit and you think being at the wrong end of the table is on him? It isn’t even PARTLY on him ffs. His job has been impossible. He’s done a very good job in getting high earners off the books (something his predecessor failed to do) whilst also having to scour the globe looking for any player that might help the squad who either didn’t cost anything, or their club would accept zero down payment for. You honestly think if he had a half decent budget he’d have moved heaven and earth to sign Beto? Udinese literally deferred any payment for 12 months! DCL at the time was having huge injury issues and we badly needed a striker. I expect there was very little choice. I find it bizarre that anyone can point the finger in his direction with a straight face.

People are criticising the signing of Jake o Brien. But he was another who actually cost buttons initially. At the time he was signed, we were having centre back issues which people are very quick to forget. Our defensive record last year was based on the Branthwaite/Tarkowski partnership. Neither featured in pre-season and both had issues, that’s why the focus switched from an attacking player (Gnonto) to a central defender. You, me or anyone else still don’t know if that was a good signing or a poor one because the manager won’t play him. Let’s wait and see what he produces when he gets his chance under a new manager.

More laughing emoji’s from @Eggs. Aren’t you a grown man close to or at retirement age? Grow up ffs. You have a blatant agenda against the director of football and it’s clear for all to see.

Summer 2022
Onana - paid 33m (sold in the end for 50m)
Mcneil - paid 15m rising to 20m with add ons
Maupay - paid 15m
(Loaned out with an obligation to buy for 3.4m)
James Garner - paid 9m rising to 15m with add ons
Gueye - paid 2m
Tarkowski - free transfer
Vinagre - loan
Spent 72m
Sold 60m (Richarlison)

Jan 2023
Didn't sign anyone
Sold 45m (Gordon)

Summer 2023
Beto - paid 25m
Chermiti - paid 12m rising to 15m with add ons
Danjuma - paid 3m for a loan fee
Ashley Young - free
Jack Harrison - loan
Spent 50m
Sold 67m (Kean, Iwobi, Gray, Simms, Cannon, Nkounkou)

Jan 2024
No ins
No outs

Summer 2024
Jake O'Brien - paid 17m
Ndiaye - paid 17m
Tim Iroegbunam - 9m
Lindstrom - loan
Mangala - loan
Broja loan
Spent 43m
Sold 72m (Onana, Godfrey, Dobbin, Maupay)

Total Spent 167m
Total Sold 244m

So, looking at the above and basing it on the transfer windows where we have been active, do you believe that we've had 167m worth of value on the pitch? We've had 5 windows under his watch, 2 of them where we weren't active. So in 3 of the windows (the summer windows), we've spent approx 55m per summer.

Out of all the signings made under his watch, 1 player turned a decent profit (Onana)

Of the 3 major sales except Onana, they were players signed previously + one already at the club (Richarlison, Iwobi and Gordon). I don't think it took a genius to negotiate the sales of Gordon or Richarlison. I think he done well with the Iwobi sale though.

Loan market I think in the main he's been more miss than hit.

We've had -
Coady - hit
Vinagre- miss
Danjuma - miss
Harrison - I'd probably have to say hit as Dyche loves him, even though he's a yard dog of a player
Lindstrom - jury is well out on him
Mangala - jury is out on him
Broja - jury is out on him

Now, based on all of the above, signings, loans, money available (no matter how limited, he's had money every window) have we resolved the following issues that we had before he arrived

Lack of pace? Nope, not sorted
A goalscorer? Nope, we've accumulated players who don't have a record of scoring goals
Full back positions? Nope, it's been basically left to rot with the continued re signing of Coleman and the signing of Young.

Based on all of the above, do you sit back and say "yep, all things considered he's done a decent job and I've been haply with his recruitment and where he's spent the money when it's been available"?

If anyone answers yes to that question, well I'd genuinely say I don't believe they have Evertons best interest at heart. He's been no better than Walsh, no better than Brands, has overseen mediocrity but has all the soundbites to tell everyone he's building something great.

The one place he will get my 100% credit is his youth recruitment this summer. Delighted with his work in that department and hopefully that will bare fruit in the future.

But in the here and now, looking St the first team squad. Under his watch we've assembled a squad that wouldn't look out of place in thr Championship and not surprisingly that's where we may be heading.

If TFG have anything at all about them, within 1 hour of taking over Everton they'll punt Dyche AND Thelwell and we can start things over again.

 

[MACCA75]

Absolutely disgusting squad that play the worst football in the top 2 divisions. And the man who directs the football has convinced some people he’s doing a good job

 

[nsno-chris]

You arent happy with the youth sides and womens team beating the RS this season at least?

Who actually cares??

Absolutely nobody. Is this what Everton has become Zat, winning a women’s derby

Utterly amazing

 

[GoldenToffee]

He definitely needs to take a large part of the blame. Even simply for the O'Brien transfer - £15m on two full backs would have revolutionised our team. We're not talking about elite players here, simply steady defenders that are willing and capable of overlapping the wingers ahead of them. That JOB transfer has turned out to be an utter nightmare.

 

[ToffeeScot]

Absolutely disgusting squad that play the worst football in the top 2 divisions. And the man who directs the football has convinced some people he’s doing a good job

I think he's bought some good players. I doubt he wants to play Dyche ball. I think Ndiaye, Mangala etc. will all look better with a better manager.

 

[Zatara]

Who actually cares??

Absolutely nobody. Is this what Everton has become Zat, winning a women’s derby

Utterly amazing

The point is that a DOFs job is not exclusively signing players.

The point NO ONE is looking at is the number of players Thelwell is having to bring in to make up a squad.

Saying someone has spent e.g £150mil while selling £250mil worth of players...

...then discounting they have needed to sign 12 or 15 players with that money -- at most times with zero or low amounts down...

...doesnt see the bigger picture.

Some expect a £50mil midfielder and a £50mil winger and a £50mil centre forward...

...when instead hes signed 15+ players with the money to fill a squad.

Most of those signings would turn a profit.

 

[Zatara]

He definitely needs to take a large part of the blame. Even simply for the O'Brien transfer - £15m on two full backs would have revolutionised our team. We're not talking about elite players here, simply steady defenders that are willing and capable of overlapping the wingers ahead of them. That JOB transfer has turned out to be an utter nightmare.

O'Brien was clearly signed due to Textor and was apparently rated north of £20mil.

The manager isnt playing him

This is where the blame gets difficult.

 

[nsno-chris]

The point is that a DOFs job is not exclusively signing players.

The point NO ONE is looking at is the number of players Thelwell is having to bring in to make up a squad.

Saying someone has spent e.g £150mil while selling £250mil worth of players...

...then discounting they have needed to sign 12 or 15 players with that money -- at most times with zero or low amounts down...

...doesnt see the bigger picture.

Some expect a £50mil midfielder and a £50mil winger and a £50mil centre forward...

...when instead hes signed 15+ players with the money to fill a squad.

Most of those signings would turn a profit.

Mate you’ve just pointed to the women’s team as an example of his influence, because they beat the RS

Yet failing to understand that that was their first win of the season in 8 attempts

 

[Bluebonic]

Summer 2022
Onana - paid 33m (sold in the end for 50m)
Mcneil - paid 15m rising to 20m with add ons
Maupay - paid 15m
(Loaned out with an obligation to buy for 3.4m)
James Garner - paid 9m rising to 15m with add ons
Gueye - paid 2m
Tarkowski - free transfer
Vinagre - loan
Spent 72m
Sold 60m (Richarlison)

Jan 2023
Didn't sign anyone
Sold 45m (Gordon)

Summer 2023
Beto - paid 25m
Chermiti - paid 12m rising to 15m with add ons
Danjuma - paid 3m for a loan fee
Ashley Young - free
Jack Harrison - loan
Spent 50m
Sold 67m (Kean, Iwobi, Gray, Simms, Cannon, Nkounkou)

Jan 2024
No ins
No outs

Summer 2024
Jake O'Brien - paid 17m
Ndiaye - paid 17m
Tim Iroegbunam - 9m
Lindstrom - loan
Mangala - loan
Broja loan
Spent 43m
Sold 72m (Onana, Godfrey, Dobbin, Maupay)

Total Spent 167m
Total Sold 244m

So, looking at the above and basing it on the transfer windows where we have been active, do you believe that we've had 167m worth of value on the pitch? We've had 5 windows under his watch, 2 of them where we weren't active. So in 3 of the windows (the summer windows), we've spent approx 55m per summer.

Out of all the signings made under his watch, 1 player turned a decent profit (Onana)

Of the 3 major sales except Onana, they were players signed previously + one already at the club (Richarlison, Iwobi and Gordon). I don't think it took a genius to negotiate the sales of Gordon or Richarlison. I think he done well with the Iwobi sale though.

Loan market I think in the main he's been more miss than hit.

We've had -
Coady - hit
Vinagre- miss
Danjuma - miss
Harrison - I'd probably have to say hit as Dyche loves him, even though he's a yard dog of a player
Lindstrom - jury is well out on him
Mangala - jury is out on him
Broja - jury is out on him

Now, based on all of the above, signings, loans, money available (no matter how limited, he's had money every window) have we resolved the following issues that we had before he arrived

Lack of pace? Nope, not sorted
A goalscorer? Nope, we've accumulated players who don't have a record of scoring goals
Full back positions? Nope, it's been basically left to rot with the continued re signing of Coleman and the signing of Young.

Based on all of the above, do you sit back and say "yep, all things considered he's done a decent job and I've been haply with his recruitment and where he's spent the money when it's been available"?

If anyone answers yes to that question, well I'd genuinely say I don't believe they have Evertons best interest at heart. He's been no better than Walsh, no better than Brands, has overseen mediocrity but has all the soundbites to tell everyone he's building something great.

The one place he will get my 100% credit is his youth recruitment this summer. Delighted with his work in that department and hopefully that will bare fruit in the future.

But in the here and now, looking St the first team squad. Under his watch we've assembled a squad that wouldn't look out of place in thr Championship and not surprisingly that's where we may be heading.

If TFG have anything at all about them, within 1 hour of taking over Everton they'll punt Dyche AND Thelwell and we can start things over again.

I agree with all of your post, but on the basis of his success with buying youngsters, I would demote rather than dismiss him. Put him in charge of bringing in the kids to develop and use or sell on.

 

[billychis]

As soon as the new owners come in they should be down to Brighton and offer Dave Wier whatever it takes

 

[maccavennie]

I agree with all of your post, but on the basis of his success with buying youngsters, I would demote rather than dismiss him. Put him in charge of bringing in the kids to develop and use or sell on.

I was actually going to say that mate but I thought he'd probably tell Everton to swivel lol

He's spent 2 years putting certain staff in place (though I think a couple left quite early if I'm not mistaken) so maybe the pieces are in place and in the future we'll see some positive results

There's no way that him and Dyche have worked in tandem over the last 2 years and that's a massive problem and one we've had ever since we started the stupid DoF model.

 

[jerseytoffee]

Summer 2022
Onana - paid 33m (sold in the end for 50m)
Mcneil - paid 15m rising to 20m with add ons
Maupay - paid 15m
(Loaned out with an obligation to buy for 3.4m)
James Garner - paid 9m rising to 15m with add ons
Gueye - paid 2m
Tarkowski - free transfer
Vinagre - loan
Spent 72m
Sold 60m (Richarlison)

Jan 2023
Didn't sign anyone
Sold 45m (Gordon)

Summer 2023
Beto - paid 25m
Chermiti - paid 12m rising to 15m with add ons
Danjuma - paid 3m for a loan fee
Ashley Young - free
Jack Harrison - loan
Spent 50m
Sold 67m (Kean, Iwobi, Gray, Simms, Cannon, Nkounkou)

Jan 2024
No ins
No outs

Summer 2024
Jake O'Brien - paid 17m
Ndiaye - paid 17m
Tim Iroegbunam - 9m
Lindstrom - loan
Mangala - loan
Broja loan
Spent 43m
Sold 72m (Onana, Godfrey, Dobbin, Maupay)

Total Spent 167m
Total Sold 244m

So, looking at the above and basing it on the transfer windows where we have been active, do you believe that we've had 167m worth of value on the pitch? We've had 5 windows under his watch, 2 of them where we weren't active. So in 3 of the windows (the summer windows), we've spent approx 55m per summer.

Out of all the signings made under his watch, 1 player turned a decent profit (Onana)

Of the 3 major sales except Onana, they were players signed previously + one already at the club (Richarlison, Iwobi and Gordon). I don't think it took a genius to negotiate the sales of Gordon or Richarlison. I think he done well with the Iwobi sale though.

Loan market I think in the main he's been more miss than hit.

We've had -
Coady - hit
Vinagre- miss
Danjuma - miss
Harrison - I'd probably have to say hit as Dyche loves him, even though he's a yard dog of a player
Lindstrom - jury is well out on him
Mangala - jury is out on him
Broja - jury is out on him

Now, based on all of the above, signings, loans, money available (no matter how limited, he's had money every window) have we resolved the following issues that we had before he arrived

Lack of pace? Nope, not sorted
A goalscorer? Nope, we've accumulated players who don't have a record of scoring goals
Full back positions? Nope, it's been basically left to rot with the continued re signing of Coleman and the signing of Young.

Based on all of the above, do you sit back and say "yep, all things considered he's done a decent job and I've been haply with his recruitment and where he's spent the money when it's been available"?

If anyone answers yes to that question, well I'd genuinely say I don't believe they have Evertons best interest at heart. He's been no better than Walsh, no better than Brands, has overseen mediocrity but has all the soundbites to tell everyone he's building something great.

The one place he will get my 100% credit is his youth recruitment this summer. Delighted with his work in that department and hopefully that will bare fruit in the future.

But in the here and now, looking St the first team squad. Under his watch we've assembled a squad that wouldn't look out of place in thr Championship and not surprisingly that's where we may be heading.

If TFG have anything at all about them, within 1 hour of taking over Everton they'll punt Dyche AND Thelwell and we can start things over again.

I was in the he's done a decent job under the circumstances, but you can't argue with anything you've said and overall it's been poor.

Would have been interesting to see who he would have brought in if he had the money; Kudus, Gnonto and Minteh all players that would have brought pace and more in attack, but he didn't and he could have done better with what little has been spent.

I think it would be very hard working with Dyche though, he's very opinionated and there would be no point signing players if Dyche didn't play them. I think Dyche would have had a big say on who comes in.

Big question is should he have a chance with funds when the Friedkin Group come in? DOF not solely about transfers coming in and it's not only his decision, he's helped keep the club going under tough circumstances and as you say the academy seems to be making progress. If he does stay we need a big overhaul of recruitment as it definitely not been good enough.

 

[Raino85]

Baffling point of view. You, along with a few others, expect miracles it seems. You’re completely ignoring the fact that he’s literally had less resources to work with than ANY other club in the division. In fact, he’s had to make a profit and you think being at the wrong end of the table is on him? It isn’t even PARTLY on him ffs. His job has been impossible. He’s done a very good job in getting high earners off the books (something his predecessor failed to do) whilst also having to scour the globe looking for any player that might help the squad who either didn’t cost anything, or their club would accept zero down payment for. You honestly think if he had a half decent budget he’d have moved heaven and earth to sign Beto? Udinese literally deferred any payment for 12 months! DCL at the time was having huge injury issues and we badly needed a striker. I expect there was very little choice. I find it bizarre that anyone can point the finger in his direction with a straight face.

People are criticising the signing of Jake o Brien. But he was another who actually cost buttons initially. At the time he was signed, we were having centre back issues which people are very quick to forget. Our defensive record last year was based on the Branthwaite/Tarkowski partnership. Neither featured in pre-season and both had issues, that’s why the focus switched from an attacking player (Gnonto) to a central defender. You, me or anyone else still don’t know if that was a good signing or a poor one because the manager won’t play him. Let’s wait and see what he produces when he gets his chance under a new manager.

More laughing emoji’s from @Eggs. Aren’t you a grown man close to or at retirement age? Grow up ffs. You have a blatant agenda against the director of football and it’s clear for all to see.

Tht year we commited to spending £30m on Beto, the following transfers happened

Morgan Rogers to villa £9m
Jaden Philogene to Hull £5m
Justin kluivert to Bournemouth £12m
Raul Jiminez to Fulham £6m
Chris Wood Forest £17m
Hudson Odoi to Forest £3,5m

If we were that strapped for cash we could of just gone to Stoke or someone and paid a million for Tyrese Campbell or a player like that.

He could of done a lot better than Beto

 

[Aries]

Tht year we commited to spending £30m on Beto, the following transfers happened

Morgan Rogers to villa £9m
Jaden Philogene to Hull £5m
Justin kluivert to Bournemouth £12m
Raul Jiminez to Fulham £6m
Chris Wood Forest £17m
Hudson Odoi to Forest £3,5m

If we were that strapped for cash we could of just gone to Stoke or someone and paid a million for Tyrese Campbell or a player like that.

He could of done a lot better than Beto

Ffs I give up. You’re either as thick as two short planks or you didn’t read a single word of my post that you quoted.

 

[Azza]

Spot on.



What is it you think he should be doing?



You arent happy with the youth sides and womens team beating the RS this season at least?

As those teams all fall under the DOF who is Thelwell.

Not happy with the young players signed to the youth sides last summer? Those are all under Thelwell.

Remember this... under Steve Walsh.





Some great development that was.