2017/18 Kieran Dowell

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Raino85 said:
A goal and assist in the biggest professional game of his career v arsenal.

Won the u18s league, won under 23s league, won u20 world cup, everton debut at 17.................the lads mental strength is nothing to worry about
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Didn't come across that way when he basically admitted he didn't think he was good enough to be back playing for us next year.
 
ToffeeTim said:
Didn't come across that way when he basically admitted he didn't think he was good enough to be back playing for us next year.
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I dont think he admitted he didnt think he was good enough, it is more a statement about getting an opportunity.
He said if the opportunity to play isnt there then he would look at a possible loan move
 
Raino85 said:
I dont think he admitted he didnt think he was good enough, it is more a statement about getting an opportunity.
He said if the opportunity to play isnt there then he would look at a possible loan move
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...the major problem with another loan move is it takes him close to the end of his contract. The club needs to offer him another contract or move him on.
 

neil999 said:
pre seasons gonna be important, really need a new boss in place early for stuff like this
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...absolutely, but you wonder where the continuity of opinion will be on the loanees if Allardyce and Walsh leave. It was part of Joe Royle’s remit to monitor loanees but comments from Callum Connolly indicate there has been little or no contact with Everton.

I wonder how a new management regime will assess who is kept and who is sold.
 
Eggs said:
...absolutely, but you wonder where the continuity of opinion will be on the loanees if Allardyce and Walsh leave. It was part of Joe Royle’s remit to monitor loanees but comments from Callum Connolly indicate there has been little or no contact with Everton.

I wonder how a new management regime will assess who is kept and who is sold.
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Would fall under responsibility of DOF you'd have thought. Not to do it personally maybe but certainly to ensure it is being done by somebody. I mean we're talking about millions and millions of pounds worth of assets here.

Does anybody know what our DOF actually does?
 
This is a bellwether case for us. If they dont offer a player like Dowell a new contract and take him back this summer then we start to understand for sure that the club has spun out of control and all football affairs are anarchic and there is no plan. This is why you have academies. Unearth rare talent and develop it to a point where you put them into the first team and allow them to take their chance.

Imagine the mindset of other youngsters with talent coming through looking on at someone like Dowell being treated like this when utter trash are guaranteed first team starts. If the club continue along this line paying big fees for players who aren't better than what we produce then we're n a slippery slope away from who we are as a club. Our transfer policy has sickened most people and any continued denial of handing Dowell his chance and even selling him will deepen the crisis of governance at the club in the fans eyes.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
Would fall under responsibility of DOF you'd have thought. Not to do it personally maybe but certainly to ensure it is being done by somebody. I mean we're talking about millions and millions of pounds worth of assets here.

Does anybody know what our DOF actually does?
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..we certainly know the definition of his role when it comes to transfers. I assume beyond that he sets the playing strategy of the whole club, which is glaringly lacking.
 

davek said:
This is a bellwether case for us. If they dont offer a player like Dowell a new contract and take him back this summer then we start to understand for sure that the club has spun out of control and all football affairs are anarchic and there is no plan. This is why you have academies. Unearth rare talent and develop it to a point where you put them into the first team and allow them to take their chance.

Imagine the mindset of other youngsters with talent coming through looking on at someone like Dowell being treated like this when utter trash are guaranteed first team starts. If the club continue along this line paying big fees for players who aren't better than what we produce then we're n a slippery slope away from who we are as a club. Our transfer policy has sickened most people and any continued denial of handing Dowell his chance and even selling him will deepen the crisis of governance at the club in the fans eyes.
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Often I've found your posts difficult to agree with but I think you’re spot on here.
 
Eggs said:
...absolutely, but you wonder where the continuity of opinion will be on the loanees if Allardyce and Walsh leave. It was part of Joe Royle’s remit to monitor loanees but comments from Callum Connolly indicate there has been little or no contact with Everton.

I wonder how a new management regime will assess who is kept and who is sold.
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Come on here and read the loanee thread haha.
 
Eggs said:
..we certainly know the definition of his role when it comes to transfers. I assume beyond that he sets the playing strategy of the whole club, which is glaringly lacking.
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It would be nice to think that somebody who works at FF would be a regular visitor on here.

It would be good to get an insight into what our DOF actually does. Practically everything posted on here is conjecture or hearsay.

You're spot on though Eggs regarding playing strategy. Non existent.
 
davek said:
This is a bellwether case for us. If they dont offer a player like Dowell a new contract and take him back this summer then we start to understand for sure that the club has spun out of control and all football affairs are anarchic and there is no plan. This is why you have academies. Unearth rare talent and develop it to a point where you put them into the first team and allow them to take their chance.

Imagine the mindset of other youngsters with talent coming through looking on at someone like Dowell being treated like this when utter trash are guaranteed first team starts. If the club continue along this line paying big fees for players who aren't better than what we produce then we're n a slippery slope away from who we are as a club. Our transfer policy has sickened most people and any continued denial of handing Dowell his chance and even selling him will deepen the crisis of governance at the club in the fans eyes.
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Definitely not disagreeing with you so think it's worth looking at a slightly different angle. Dowell is clearly a clever and talented player. Is he top draw and able to make it in a top six club? still big question marks on that one. The challenge to Dowell has surfaced at Forest, with drifting in and out of games etc. So while we would definitely have him in the squad next season, how many people would want him starting over a Siggy or Wilshire or someone who has and will rip up trees at the highest level. Dowell still seems a couple of seasons away from that and while I detest Wilshire, he is in a different league to our Keiran (at the moment). Our most talented kids have had a chance this season and fans have given them god knows how much stick. Same situation - Kenny over Coleman? DCL over Tosun? Garbutt over Baines? So, we can have him back, but at what expense?
 

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