Koeman: "Barkley looking for a new challenge"

[Geoff Nulty]

I think he favours going under the wing of a manager who has shown he;'s adept at encouraging and gelling top English talent. That's Pochettino for me.

Yes, and he's pals with Kane and Alli, apparently, and I think Ross is the kind who wants to be with his mates - he needs that warmth. Funnily enough, and I know it sounds daft, but Eddie Howe and Bournemouth would be a great fit. Softly spoken, nurturing manager, no pressure, the chance to be the undisputed star, a sleepy town far away from Liverpool.

 

[Titus Bramble]

He had injuries in 2014 and missed a lot of games.

That won't impact his goals/assists per game stats david

 

[Geoff Nulty]

Are you seriously comparing Ross with Gazza and Cantona ???????

Haha, I see your point. Not with Cantona, then, but Ross has been compared to Gascoigne by others before now. I was just making a general pint, though, about Ferguson. For all his temper and his demands, he wasn't afraid to go for talents that didn't fit the accepted mold.

 

[Runcornblue52]

Haha, I see your point. Not with Cantona, then, but Ross has been compared to Gascoigne by others before now. I was just making a general pint, though, about Ferguson. For all his temper and his demands, he wasn't afraid to go for talents that didn't fit the accepted mold.

Gazza was an England legend >>>>The best player in the team ....Ross can't get in the squad .........Ferguson wouldn't buy him !

 

[Socrates]

No manager is going to improve Ross Barkley that much.

His problem is that he lacks intelligence, both on the pitch and off.

Let's face it, leaving Everton right now, with Rooney's arrival and finally having some financial muscle to bring in players who can compete at the top level, is not an intelligent move.

As for playing, sure he has talented feet, is strong and quick but his decision making is slow and ponderous because his brain doesn't work fast enough for top level sport.
He can't look up, have a picture in his head and play a pass like Rooney, Tom Davies, Kieran Dowell or Gareth Barry and that slows the play of the team down. It appears that Klaassen also has this ability so we just don't need Ross any more.

Yes, he is an Evertonian but we have plenty of young blues chomping at the bit to pull on the blue shirt with plenty of talent and better still, they appear to have intelligence and a knowledge of how the first team wants to play. Something Ross Barkley never seemed to get.

Let him go and let's see if the grass is greener for him elsewhere.

I sincerely doubt it though.

 

[everton2004]

He was told to leave by the manager. Great negotiating strategy.

Source/quotes of Koeman telling him to leave? Post them here or stop chatting utter wham.

 

[Runcornblue52]

Source/quotes of Koeman telling him to leave? Post them here or stop chatting utter wham.

The manager has said he wants him to stay

 

[ProZ]

I have nothing else to say.

 

[diggerdestroyer]

I don't think he had a spot with all the transfers this summer. The squad is better and deeper and Barkley doesn't fit anywhere.

All the transfers this summer? We have let go or sold 4 or 5 attacking players so Have to totally disagree there. There is a place for him. We havent gone out and bought a champions league squad. We have brought in decent players and have done well in doing so but we are in 7th place with most of the teams above us buying much bigger than us. We are in the europa cup and barkley will have to be replaced with quality and more brought in to have any hope of top 6 not to mind top 4.

 

[Deckard2049]

No manager is going to improve Ross Barkley that much.

His problem is that he lacks intelligence, both on the pitch and off.

Let's face it, leaving Everton right now, with Rooney's arrival and finally having some financial muscle to bring in players who can compete at the top level, is not an intelligent move.

As for playing, sure he has talented feet, is strong and quick but his decision making is slow and ponderous because his brain doesn't work fast enough for top level sport.
He can't look up, have a picture in his head and play a pass like Rooney, Tom Davies, Kieran Dowell or Gareth Barry and that slows the play of the team down. It appears that Klaassen also has this ability so we just don't need Ross any more.

Yes, he is an Evertonian but we have plenty of young blues chomping at the bit to pull on the blue shirt with plenty of talent and better still, they appear to have intelligence and a knowledge of how the first team wants to play. Something Ross Barkley never seemed to get.

Let him go and let's see if the grass is greener for him elsewhere.

I sincerely doubt it though.

His problem is that no-one including himself can tell you his best position. That is a failing on behalf of the coaching staff, and to an extent the player for lacking self awareness. Oxlade-Chamberlain is the same. He thinks he's a centre midfielder. Wenger has played him all over the park and when he has been central he hasn't proved anything. Should Ross sit deep? Should he be behind the striker? Should he be box to box? He needs a strong manager to tell him exactly what he is and what he needs to do. Furthermore whether or not it's weakness on his part, it's clear the pressure of being a local potential wonderkid got to him. Perhaps Davies will thrive on it, good for him. Barkley always seems like he's trying to hard, something which he wouldn't do at another club.

To be fair to Koeman I think he tried to discipline his game and harness his ability in a more specific way, but his approach, for some reason, obviously rubbed Barkley up the wrong way. Perhaps that's a personality problem with Barkley, perhaps koeman misjudged the player, at this point it doesn't matter. But I honestly believe if you gave Barkley to Poch there would be a distinct improvement. Personally he leaves with no vindictive emotion from me and if Spurs if the destination, I'm fascinated to see how he gets on. For me it's a shame we won't get to see him play within a much better Everton team surrounded by better players rather than attempting to make something out of nothing or supplying Lukaku. That's down to him. But it's down to the manager as well.

 

[Bwana]

Is there any chance we can get Elton John involved and get him to do a rendition of Candle in the wind for us?

Come to think of it: Ross on the pitch has been like a candle in the wind.

Unreliable.

 

[diggerdestroyer]

Yes, and he's pals with Kane and Alli, apparently, and I think Ross is the kind who wants to be with his mates - he needs that warmth. Funnily enough, and I know it sounds daft, but Eddie Howe and Bournemouth would be a great fit. Softly spoken, nurturing manager, no pressure, the chance to be the undisputed star, a sleepy town far away from Liverpool.

Good "bingo" in bournmouth i hear.

 

[jinkyali]

I am 32; I have supported the club since I was 6 and class myself as a blue. Season ticket for 15 years in total.

I am massively confident when I say that there would be nothing which would stop me playing for the club if I was a professional. Nothing. The only way I would leave is literally if the club decided to sell me.

I cant imagine the circumstances in which I would want to reject a deal from the club I love. You can sod your 'parity with others' and 'wanting a better deal'. To play for Everton, as an Evertonian, is the pinnacle and there is no amount of money which could make up for playing for the club.

I think Ross has been badly advised to the hilt here. Imagine being his agent and saying 'you can do better elsewhere' when in all realistic likelihood, Barkley is currently playing at a level which befits his talent/maturity. I dont blame Ross in a way as I suspect he is being taken advantage of. I do however hold him purely responsible for acting in such a petulant manner to allow him to be taken advantage of.

The 'boy' is 23/24. He should be man enough to stand up for himself, fight for his place in a team and fight for the team he loves.

Its a tragic situation really (in football terms) and I imagine his parents must be apoplectic at how there boy / agent is treating the club he supposedly loves.

The sad thing for Ross is he is probably too naive to understand the journey this club is embarking on; he is giving up his opportunity to captain the club into the new stadium, go down as a hero and act as a shining light for one of the pillars of the club, its fantastic academy.

To me, this is a big kick in the balls to those who have contributed to his development, shown patience and given him the freedom to make mistakes. Koeman is the right man to iron out his obvious flaws, but it is seemingly too much of a fight for Ross.

To give up on the club he loves is startling but frankly, this will be forgotten about in six weeks time as the club will move on much more quicker than he ever will. At times Ross has been cowardly and introverted on the pitch, and it seems he is now starting to off the pitch.

 

[diggerdestroyer]

His problem is that no-one including himself can tell you his best position. That is a failing on behalf of the coaching staff, and to an extent the player for lacking self awareness. Oxlade-Chamberlain is the same. He thinks he's a centre midfielder. Wenger has played him all over the park and when he has been central he hasn't proved anything. Should Ross sit deep? Should he be behind the striker? Should he be box to box? He needs a strong manager to tell him exactly what he is and what he needs to do. Furthermore whether or not it's weakness on his part, it's clear the pressure of being a local potential wonderkid got to him. Perhaps Davies will thrive on it, good for him. Barkley always seems like he's trying to hard, something which he wouldn't do at another club.

To be fair to Koeman I think he tried to discipline his game and harness his ability in a more specific way, but his approach, for some reason, obviously rubbed Barkley up the wrong way. Perhaps that's a personality problem with Barkley, perhaps koeman misjudged the player, at this point it doesn't matter. But I honestly believe if you gave Barkley to Poch there would be a distinct improvement. Personally he leaves with no vindictive emotion from me and if Spurs if the destination, I'm fascinated to see how he gets on. For me it's a shame we won't get to see him play within a much better Everton team surrounded by better players rather than attempting to make something out of nothing or supplying Lukaku. That's down to him. But it's down to the manager as well.

Excellent post

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Yes, and he's pals with Kane and Alli, apparently, and I think Ross is the kind who wants to be with his mates - he needs that warmth. Funnily enough, and I know it sounds daft, but Eddie Howe and Bournemouth would be a great fit. Softly spoken, nurturing manager, no pressure, the chance to be the undisputed star, a sleepy town far away from Liverpool.

That's actually a pretty good shout. He'd have all the license he wanted to get forward without any regard for defending. He'd actually be a very good fit there.