gonetomorrow
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Maybe not a hole as such, but think the script was pretty clunky at times. I also thought everything was just too 'easy' once he went fully weird and into the Joker mode.
But, like I said, with the ending I kind of get it.
Personally I'm of the opinion the entire story was a fabrication of Arthur's mind, which I think in this case does work. It's like an origin story without it actually being an origin.
But, like I said, with the ending I kind of get it.
Personally I'm of the opinion the entire story was a fabrication of Arthur's mind, which I think in this case does work. It's like an origin story without it actually being an origin.
I enjoyed it. Phoenix is excellent. Probably carries the film at times but it's still enjoyable.
Zatara
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Your last paragraph, i didnt think that at all...some parts yes (as shown in the movie) but all of it...no.
Thats where he built his reputation...
But is he really the Joker?
Joker. Good film.
The King of Comedy and Taxi Driver influences are a bit heavy handed
Phoenix very good.
The King of Comedy and Taxi Driver influences are a bit heavy handed
Phoenix very good.
Loved that film!
Maybe.
I think it's open to interpretation and any outcome is valid really.
I'm only going off Ledger's Joker. So I suppose it's hard trying to imagine this version become that based on the events in the film.
If it's just creating the Joker all over again as a new character then it'd make sense for the story to be 'real'.
I do think it blurred the line between reality and fantasy really well.
Think lots of people are doing this and in my opinion it's a little unfair. What you watch in The Dark Knight is a fully fledged Joker whereas this, if even that character, has only just begun. It's almost like saying you can't imagine the little Bruce Wayne getting mouth-fingered by a stranger as the crime-fighting vigilante Batman.
Like I've said mate I'm not a big fan of supehero movies/comics so I've really only for the 05-2012 batman trilogy to go by.
I'm not comparing it in the sense of the performances - I think they're both great.
I just think the story is a little jarring if the point is that this version goes on to become the Ledger version.
But since this is set, what, 20-odd years previous to that, it probably isn't meant to be. So it kind of makes sense as a standalone thing until the ending, which throws it into the air.
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Anyone saw A Rainy Day in New York of Woody Allen? Worth going to cinema?
Philw
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Defo killed the therapist.
Don't think he killed the "girlfriend", but thinking back now not sure why. Did he do any dance after the scene where she asked him to leave? I certainly didn't get the impression he did, and he let the dwarf go, so inclined to believe he let her live too.
Yeah TP set the fantasies up really well. There's just enough between them in the lift scene to suggest that the kiss could have happened. It was weird that she just disappeared out of the film for ages after the hospital. Though that could be seen as a 'clue' looking back.
The final chapter could be all fantasy, but all his previous fantasies that were shown were brief. Plus imo there's no way this is meant to build into Ledger's Joker. He's way to old to be the Joker Heath portrayed as Bruce's parents are killed during this, which puts it 20 odd years before that. He would be about 70 by the time The Dark Knight takes place!!
Don't think he killed the "girlfriend", but thinking back now not sure why. Did he do any dance after the scene where she asked him to leave? I certainly didn't get the impression he did, and he let the dwarf go, so inclined to believe he let her live too.
Yeah TP set the fantasies up really well. There's just enough between them in the lift scene to suggest that the kiss could have happened. It was weird that she just disappeared out of the film for ages after the hospital. Though that could be seen as a 'clue' looking back.
The final chapter could be all fantasy, but all his previous fantasies that were shown were brief. Plus imo there's no way this is meant to build into Ledger's Joker. He's way to old to be the Joker Heath portrayed as Bruce's parents are killed during this, which puts it 20 odd years before that. He would be about 70 by the time The Dark Knight takes place!!
Defo killed the therapist.
Don't think he killed the "girlfriend", but thinking back now not sure why. Did he do any dance after the scene where she asked him to leave? I certainly didn't get the impression he did, and he let the dwarf go, so inclined to believe he let her live too.
Yeah TP set the fantasies up really well. There's just enough between them in the lift scene to suggest that the kiss could have happened. It was weird that she just disappeared out of the film for ages after the hospital. Though that could be seen as a 'clue' looking back.
The final chapter could be all fantasy, but all his previous fantasies that were shown were brief. Plus imo there's no way this is meant to build into Ledger's Joker. He's way to old to be the Joker Heath portrayed as Bruce's parents are killed during this, which puts it 20 odd years before that. He would be about 70 by the time The Dark Knight takes place!!
Only reason I was a bit 50/50 on killing Sophie is because that was the day when it all changed wasn't it and with his disturbing final gun to the head and rushed exit. Not sure though as clearly he was fond of her to become delusional over her affection! I don't think the kiss happened though as she says "you're Arthur from down the hall right?" which you wouldn't really say after kissing a man and closing the door to your apartment haha. To be fair, you say she disappeared for ages after the hospital but you've got to remember the film is only set over a like a week max if you think about it! A lof of what happens after the hosp is only a couple of days (from memory).
I don’t think he killed her. The whole relationship was clearly a fiction of his imagination. Guess it’s on us to decide whether he killed her or not.
It’s interesting trying to work out what is real and what is in his head. I’d like to think he has imagined it all and him killing the therapist is his first real step into being Joker. The whole Murray Franklin thing was very reminiscent of the mum in Requiem for a Dream.
It’s interesting trying to work out what is real and what is in his head. I’d like to think he has imagined it all and him killing the therapist is his first real step into being Joker. The whole Murray Franklin thing was very reminiscent of the mum in Requiem for a Dream.
Archie Knox
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Wondering if anybody has watched El Camino yet? I just did. Gilligan doesn't disappoint. Aaron Paul was outstanding.