Latest Takeover Rumour. The Moores / Noell one

[davek]

Poppycock, the only thing round the corner in 2004 was relegation.

Eh?

 

[davek]

No bigger indicator of the changes in football over the last quarter of a century than the interest and importance ordinary fans with no experience of finance or business now place on the ownership and commercial running of the club.

Sadly the club (not just Everton but most English clubs at least) continue to view fans as mushrooms in terms of information sharing and most importantly in terms of recognising the value of their input on non footballing matters.

I could never imagine years ago (not THAT long ago actually) that fans would be so savvy and on the ball that they could force the club to basically give up on holding them back at AGMs - calling them to task over the running of the club. Obviously we're a wide fan base and certain fans will have those skills from their employment, but generally speaking there's quite a high level of understanding of the issues if not the minutia.

I'm not sure it's an altogether good development, tbh. Of course, it pays off when the support are faced with a crisis of identity as per the Kirkby scheme and a lot of those fans could be mobilised against that via the agitation of certain fan groups. But I think also it can lead to a loss of the wonderment of football if fans are preoccupied with the economics of the game. What's learned cant be unlearned now I suppose. A loss of innocence.

 

[Goat]

Eh?

And if you know your history.

 

[davek]

And if you know your history.

2004 you said. The Johnson takeover when he held off Kenwright's consortium: we're talking another decade back to the early 90s.

*listens for penny dropping*

 

[LAToffee]

There is no antagonism or fan-on-fan hostility on here that a good 5-0 tonking of Bournemouth won't cure.

 

[kithnou]

There is no antagonism or fan-on-fan hostility on here that a good 5-0 tonking of Bournemouth won't cure.

True. Conversely, maybe take the next 2 weeks off should the unthinkable occur..

 

[Goat]

2004 you said. The Johnson takeover when he held off Kenwright's consortium: we're talking another decade back to the early 90s.

*listens for penny dropping*

The 90s or the early 20s, pick either decade David, the outcome is still the same, neither had dreams of success, only dreams of staying in the league, well until our Ginger Knight rode into town.

 

[The Esk]

I'm not sure it's an altogether good development, tbh. Of course, it pays off when the support are faced with a crisis of identity as per the Kirkby scheme and a lot of those fans could be mobilised against that via the agitation of certain fan groups, but I think also it can lead to a loss of the wonderment of football if fans are preoccupied with the economics of the game. What's learned cant be unlearned now I suppose. A loss of innocence.

Yet it can be viewed as a positive for those that want to be involved.

Ideally I have a vision where new owners are prepared to engage with supporters, offer a minority stake through a fans trust and allow fan representation all the way through to board level.

We have witnessed the community benefiting from the brilliant work of EiTC (let's put aside the independent nature of the charity, to recipients of their work they are Everton), why can the club not benefit and gain from the input of local people who have supported the club for generations?

 

[davek]

The 90s or the early 20s, pick either decade David, the outcome is still the same, neither had dreams of success, only dreams of staying in the league, well until our Ginger Judas rode into town.

Fixed.

 

[davek]

Yet it can be viewed as a positive for those that want to be involved.

Ideally I have a vision were new owners are prepared to engage with supporters, offer a minority stake through a fans trust and allow fan representation all the way through to board level.

We have witnessed the community benefiting from the brilliant work of EiTC (let's put aside the independent nature of rhe charity, to recipients of their work they are Everton), why can the club not benefit and gain from the input of local people who have supported the club for generations?

I completely agree. The balance between commercialism and community (and BOTH elements have ALWAYS been there at football clubs despite some mythical golden age of jumpers for goalposts) is getting seriously out of whack - and the potential for that to accelerate at this club looms large if takeover reports are true. Yes, Everton have done their bit in trying to maintain the balance, but it manifests itself as patronage and top down.

The Trust thing is a funny one at EFC though, as you'll know. It's been mooted before a couple of times and never got the support from the base. It looks like any idea for one pretty much breaks on the rocks of the Shareholders Association which is well established, and those on board with them are the very constituency a trust would attract.

 

[The Esk]

I completely agree. The balance between commercialism and community (and BOTH elements have ALWAYS been there at football clubs despite some mythical golden age of jumpers for goalposts) is getting seriously out of whack - and the potential for that to accelerate at this club looms large if takeover reports are true. Yes, Everton have done their bit in trying to maintain the balance, but it manifests itself as patronage and top down.

The Trust thing is a funny one at EFC though, as you'll know. It's been mooted before a couple of times and never got the support from the base. It looks like any idea for one pretty much breaks on the rocks of the Shareholders Association which is well established, and those on board with them are the very constituency a trust would attract.

One of our biggest problems is that bizarrely for such a local, community based, largely working class club we have a very disparate group of activist fans and shareholders.

We don't seem to be able to speak with a common view, individual factions seem more important than the bigger picture. Whether that's a lack of leadership or more likely a result of the treatment of such groups by the club I'm not sure.

 

[LAToffee]

True. Conversely, maybe take the next 2 weeks off should the unthinkable occur..

Wonderful advice which I'll completely ignore: I try to leave but the fume-fest draws me like a moth to a flame

 

[kithnou]

Wonderful advice which I'll completely ignore: I try to leave but the fume-fest draws me like a moth to a flame

I also enjoy the entertainment before bed

 

[onlyme]

One of our biggest problems is that bizarrely for such a local, community based, largely working class club we have a very disparate group of activist fans and shareholders.

We don't seem to be able to speak with a common view, individual factions seem more important than the bigger picture. Whether that's a lack of leadership or more likely a result of the treatment of such groups by the club I'm not sure.

Divide and conquer ?

 

[davek]

One of our biggest problems is that bizarrely for such a local, community based, largely working class club we have a very disparate group of activist fans and shareholders.

We don't seem to be able to speak with a common view, individual factions seem more important than the bigger picture. Whether that's a lack of leadership or more likely a result of the treatment of such groups by the club I'm not sure.

The nature of all organisations and groups, I suppose. There'll always be radical and moderate elements. They can come together on occasion, but it's like herding cats for the most part.

By and large I dont think Evertonians do formal organisation. Major change usually comes about from a massive single convulsion (as per the day Johnson's card was marked for him after the nightmarish Coventry game).