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Lee mason

is he the worst ref in English football?

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It's gross misconduct. In the normal world that's either a final warning or dismissal. He blew the whistle, Brighton took the free kick and scored. He has to give the goal and live with the consequences of allowing them to take the free kick. You can't just blow your whistle again and hope it all goes away. What happens if Brighton get relegated by a point? Terrible refereeing.
 
McBain said:
Im not multi quoting here - im hearing what you’re putting down but seriously, theres no other profession where the speed of the people you police, the multiple interpretations of the rules and the absolute dogs abuse you’d recieve for any kind of error would put anyone off being a ref.

I’m not a ref and and guilty as charged for giving it to them down the years, but maybe I’ve mellowed, or come to the realisation that refs have always been the same... but now in super slow mo multiple angled replay HD the technology highlights the gulf of what has always been.

I think they actually might need two on field referees at the game now like in Rugby. Who knows what the answer is- but anyone expecting perfect officiating should get ready for lots more stoppages.
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Nobody is asking for perfection, this would nice but utterly impossible and this is fully understood by most, if not all.

However, when you compare the professionalism and respect of football referees to other sports they are so far behind it is a joke. Obviously, Rugby is the closest counterpart and the gulf in quality is there for all to see. However, we do understand mistakes, Saturday was a prime example with an absolute joke of a ref in charge, how those two tries can be given is beyond me, and believe me I was screaming blue murder at them, but the decision making is public. We can hear the TMO, we can hear the ref and all discussions with all parties. We may not agree but we know what is going on.

The answer is very simple, mic them up. Make them accountable. Get Nigel Owens in to have a summer training session with them, explain what it is like to be a proper official in a professional sport.
 
wandyr79 said:
Nobody is asking for perfection, this would nice but utterly impossible and this is fully understood by most, if not all.

However, when you compare the professionalism and respect of football referees to other sports they are so far behind it is a joke. Obviously, Rugby is the closest counterpart and the gulf in quality is there for all to see. However, we do understand mistakes, Saturday was a prime example with an absolute joke of a ref in charge, how those two tries can be given is beyond me, and believe me I was screaming blue murder at them, but the decision making is public. We can hear the TMO, we can hear the ref and all discussions with all parties. We may not agree but we know what is going on.

The answer is very simple, mic them up. Make them accountable. Get Nigel Owens in to have a summer training session with them, explain what it is like to be a proper official in a professional sport.
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You’d have to admit theres loads more pressure though. Fair point but the amount of abuse they cop lends itself to them closing shop on decisions. Micing them up won’t stop the errors.
 

The inconsistency is the biggest issue. You just don't ever know where you stand these days. They are destroying the game. The best refs are the ones you never talk about unfortunately these days you've got egg-head spouting his garbage on ssn every monday trying to cover refs tracks after yet more controversy.
 
PaddyJames said:
The inconsistency is the biggest issue. You just don't ever know where you stand these days. They are destroying the game. The best refs are the ones you never talk about unfortunately these days you've got egg-head spouting his garbage on ssn every monday trying to cover refs tracks after yet more controversy.
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Can anyone explain what Dermot Gallagher is saying? (Or what he means by a "ceremonial free kick"?)...

"The easy answer is he's just lost focus. When you give a free-kick and it's a ceremonial free-kick like that, because Brighton originally wanted the wall back 10 yards, he's got the ball placed, he's got the wall back and then he's then got to get into a position."

"For whatever reason, he is dragged back into the players, Dunk sees Johnstone on the post and thinks 'I can go quick here'. He asks the referee if he can go, I think the referee has lost a little bit of focus and says yes. He's not in the right position for the free-kick himself because he's just stepping back, Dunk shoots and I think as soon as he shoots, I think Lee thinks 'I shouldn't have had this free kick taken', blows his whistle again to stop it but the consequence is the ball goes in the net."

"I say a consequence because if that ball had gone wide, we wouldn't be discussing this now. But it did go in the net and VAR can look at it because the ball has crossed the line. VAR quite rightly said that the whistle had gone for a second time before the ball was in the net so technically, it can't be a goal."

"What I would like to point out as well, because there has been a lot of slightly inaccurate reporting of this, is that VAR played no part in the process apart from deciding the second whistle had done. VAR can't have any input on a restart, it's solely an on-field decision."

"All Lee Mason did was lose focus and you see how difficult it can be then because he's got players pressuring him and it can be a lonely place."

"I think the one good thing that came out of it, for whatever reason, he decided to go to the benches and explain what he was going to do. By going to the benches and coming back, that created a little bit of time to compose himself and get back into the zone. If he had the free-kick retaken, he would still have been in this slightly out of focus range, if you like, and not really able to control it as he did afterwards."

"It just was a mistake he made, I think the mistake being allowing the free-kick to be taken originally. If there's one learning point any referee can take from this, it's to make sure you are ready before you have any free-kick retaken."
 
trueblue84 said:
Can anyone explain what Dermot Gallagher is saying? (Or what he means by a "ceremonial free kick"?)...

"The easy answer is he's just lost focus. When you give a free-kick and it's a ceremonial free-kick like that, because Brighton originally wanted the wall back 10 yards, he's got the ball placed, he's got the wall back and then he's then got to get into a position."

"For whatever reason, he is dragged back into the players, Dunk sees Johnstone on the post and thinks 'I can go quick here'. He asks the referee if he can go, I think the referee has lost a little bit of focus and says yes. He's not in the right position for the free-kick himself because he's just stepping back, Dunk shoots and I think as soon as he shoots, I think Lee thinks 'I shouldn't have had this free kick taken', blows his whistle again to stop it but the consequence is the ball goes in the net."

"I say a consequence because if that ball had gone wide, we wouldn't be discussing this now. But it did go in the net and VAR can look at it because the ball has crossed the line. VAR quite rightly said that the whistle had gone for a second time before the ball was in the net so technically, it can't be a goal."

"What I would like to point out as well, because there has been a lot of slightly inaccurate reporting of this, is that VAR played no part in the process apart from deciding the second whistle had done. VAR can't have any input on a restart, it's solely an on-field decision."

"All Lee Mason did was lose focus and you see how difficult it can be then because he's got players pressuring him and it can be a lonely place."

"I think the one good thing that came out of it, for whatever reason, he decided to go to the benches and explain what he was going to do. By going to the benches and coming back, that created a little bit of time to compose himself and get back into the zone. If he had the free-kick retaken, he would still have been in this slightly out of focus range, if you like, and not really able to control it as he did afterwards."

"It just was a mistake he made, I think the mistake being allowing the free-kick to be taken originally. If there's one learning point any referee can take from this, it's to make sure you are ready before you have any free-kick retaken."
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They just make stuff up.
 
trueblue84 said:
Can anyone explain what Dermot Gallagher is saying? (Or what he means by a "ceremonial free kick"?)...

"The easy answer is he's just lost focus. When you give a free-kick and it's a ceremonial free-kick like that, because Brighton originally wanted the wall back 10 yards, he's got the ball placed, he's got the wall back and then he's then got to get into a position."

"For whatever reason, he is dragged back into the players, Dunk sees Johnstone on the post and thinks 'I can go quick here'. He asks the referee if he can go, I think the referee has lost a little bit of focus and says yes. He's not in the right position for the free-kick himself because he's just stepping back, Dunk shoots and I think as soon as he shoots, I think Lee thinks 'I shouldn't have had this free kick taken', blows his whistle again to stop it but the consequence is the ball goes in the net."

"I say a consequence because if that ball had gone wide, we wouldn't be discussing this now. But it did go in the net and VAR can look at it because the ball has crossed the line. VAR quite rightly said that the whistle had gone for a second time before the ball was in the net so technically, it can't be a goal."

"What I would like to point out as well, because there has been a lot of slightly inaccurate reporting of this, is that VAR played no part in the process apart from deciding the second whistle had done. VAR can't have any input on a restart, it's solely an on-field decision."

"All Lee Mason did was lose focus and you see how difficult it can be then because he's got players pressuring him and it can be a lonely place."

"I think the one good thing that came out of it, for whatever reason, he decided to go to the benches and explain what he was going to do. By going to the benches and coming back, that created a little bit of time to compose himself and get back into the zone. If he had the free-kick retaken, he would still have been in this slightly out of focus range, if you like, and not really able to control it as he did afterwards."

"It just was a mistake he made, I think the mistake being allowing the free-kick to be taken originally. If there's one learning point any referee can take from this, it's to make sure you are ready before you have any free-kick retaken."
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This is why referees aren’t respected
 

Phil Dowd is the only one I have ever rated. Howard Webb for me was overrated and even ignored his assistant who was right nearby the incident, while he was miles away in comparison and gave United a penalty against Spurs that never was, it turned the game around and even my Man United supporting neighbour said “If I was a Spurs fan I’d be livid with Webb”. Still, it does not compare to Mike Dean changing his mind over a yellow card because the Wigan crowd were urging him to send the Man City player off and Mason’s latest blunder.
 
They're all crap and act like a mafia. There is no other profession I can think of where you can be consistently awful yet not have a word of criticism said about you from the people who's careers and livelihoods you're directly affecting.

All this nonsense about clapping for officials before kick-off, do me favour. Let's all clap for the little dictators. Look at that idiot who stuck his head on a player in the lower leagues the other week, the out pouring of sympathy was farcical. Roles reversed that players loses all his sponsorships and probably doesnt play again the rest of the season.

"Officials are human-beings" is the line they often role out. Human-beings though, least decent ones, own up to their errors and face the music. When has a ref ever done that? Instead they scurry away and hide like foxes down into a den.

New blood is needed, I used to be against female refs but now I'd like to see them given a go. Can't be any worse surely?
 

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