Leeds United

[mumwasablue]

Not knocking the numbers mate. Those are good numbers all things considered . Just pointing out there was a time a few years ago where cracks were starting to show and demand wasn’t there like it normally is.

I think the problem we were having that when Bates left,Cellinos first 2 years were a joke ,Bates we think still owned the ground through Teak Holdings registered in the Cayman Islands. The fans just couldn't see an end to it. We marched from.the city centre to the ground ,demanding Cellinos removal,some Leeds fans projected o to the stand anti Cellino stuff. Then he brings in Monk ,Jansen,Hernandez,and Chris Wood,things looked up. That period was a turning point.
I always laugh at the crazy Arsenal pod casts etc where they moaned about Wenger,and their slight decline. I think teams like Brighton,Coventry ,Bury etc . Have been abused by terrible owners,and Wigans situation is a joke. The EFL are a shambles when it comes to due diligence. At least the PL are scrutinizing Newcastles takeover,but why not go further,with Chelsea their money source is immoral.

 

[Onwards Evertonians]

but Newcastle are a big club. They haven’t won anything for years but neither have Everton 25 years, 28 for leeds. You might have sustained top flight football but in reality what has it achieved. Everton are a big club never said they aren’t so I aren’t knocking you at all & yes leeds have Been no where in that time but has anything changed since 2004 in terms of trophies? As I’ve said I don’t buy the how much have to you won Or just existing in a division meaning that’s what makes you a big club.

we’ve have similar sized historical stadiums, we both have storied history with trophies & great players along the way. We both have big renowned fan bases. We’re both big clubs

Trophy wise it achieved nothing but while you lot were losing to the likes of Cheltenham, we were taking on the top teams in the land every week. That's not what fans want to watch but you lot were.

As for stadiums, they're only similar sized now because going back we'd beat your record attendance regularly. We've averaged just shy of your record attendance in a season . Besides we're waiting on planning permission on a new stadium, then that'll be another mute point.

 

[mumwasablue]

How long is a piece of string?

Everton’s side of 70s should have won more, bottled it a few times.
Ipswich cleaned up a fair few trophies on that time, I don’t consider Ipswich a big team, same way I can’t class Leeds as a big team off winning trophies in the 60s.

As you said, Everton should have won a lot more in the 80s.

When I look at a team like Everton, Liverpool, Tottenham or Arsenal they are teams with a sustained stability of being in the top flight.

I see Leeds and the last 40 years of Football has seen Leeds in the top flight for less than half?
Successful period, absolutely... but sustained success to be deemed a big club? I don’t think so.

Bigger Club than the likes of Ipswich, in fan base absolutely, but just another Newcastle for me

I think I read somewhere years ago Ipswich per head of population were the best supported club in the country. I think they had 25% of the population watching them. Always a game MOTD liked to cover when Robson was in charge. I think they were always in top 4 for about 10 years.

 

[1874]

I think I read somewhere years ago Ipswich per head of population were the best supported club in the country. I think they had 25% of the population watching them. Always a game MOTD liked to cover when Robson was in charge. I think they were always in top 4 for about 10 years.

I think it’s Burnley . Yeah people forget that Ipswich were a top club during the 70s and early 80s. Finished top four a few times and also runners up 2-3 times . Then they won the Uefa cup .

 

[EFC78]

@Dean1919 @mumwasablue

I do agree Leeds are a big club, and have had some very impressive short periods in their history, especially late 60s to mid 70s. Leeds earnt their place as a big club then and have several things going for them over clubs like West Brom etc.

But i'm not buying in to this huge fanbase claim that both your fans and the media claim to have. If you look at all the measurable criteria, Leeds fanbase being among the best in the country is a myth. Just using ourselves as a comparison.

Record attendance: Everton 78,299 (5th), Leeds 57,892 (22nd)
Best average attendance: Everton 51,603 (8th), Leeds 39,752 (15th)
Best average in the 2nd tier: Everton 45,952, Leeds 34,033

Even Social Media (which I appreciate is by no means a fully accurate way to judge support), Everton are in 8th (behind Leicester due to their surge in popularity from the title win) with millions of followers, and Leeds aren't even in the top 20 - well under 1m e.g on Facebook. Below clubs like Norwich.

The reality just isn't supporting the incredible fanbase claims from Leeds supporters.

 

[mumwasablue]

@Dean1919 @mumwasablue

I do agree Leeds are a big club, and have had some very impressive short periods in their history, especially late 60s to mid 70s. Leeds earnt their place as a big club then and have several things going for them over clubs like West Brom etc.

But i'm not buying in to this huge fanbase claim that both your fans and the media claim to have. If you look at all the measurable criteria, Leeds fanbase being among the best in the country is a myth. Just using ourselves as a comparison.

Record attendance: Everton 78,299 (5th), Leeds 57,892 (22nd)
Best average attendance: Everton 51,603 (8th), Leeds 39,752 (15th)
Best average in the 2nd tier: Everton 45,952, Leeds 34,033

Even Social Media (which I appreciate is by no means a fully accurate way to judge support), Everton are in 8th (behind Leicester due to their surge in popularity from the title win) with millions of followers, and Leeds aren't even in the top 20 - well under 1m e.g on Facebook. Below clubs like Norwich.

The reality just isn't supporting the incredible fanbase claims from Leeds supporters.

 

[mumwasablue]

I think historically all football attendances have been cyclical.The premier league is a massive brand,social media obviously is an important element of it,along with all the television rights. I can remember in the 70s when Newcastle had 7000 for a Division 1 game when they were relegated, when you're bad people don't want to go. If the style of football is crap all these factors come into it. I think with football as you get older,finding a decent pub with good beer ,a laugh with you mates and watching your team play to the best of its ability is all you can hope for. Winning titles cups etc is a bonus. We will enjoy our moment,and just see what happens. Half my family are Everton,half are Leeds.We are 16 years behind you in financial terms,so anything now is a bonus.

 

[Onwards Evertonians]

Record attendance: Everton 78,299 (5th), Leeds 57,892 (22nd)

We've also had 64,851 at Goodison and 40,149 also watched the same game on large screens at Anfield. It was a derby like but over 105k right there. That's how a one team city might look here.

 

[mumwasablue]

We've also had 64,851 at Goodison and 40,149 also watched the same game on large screens at Anfield. It was a derby like but over 105k right there. That's how a one team city might look here.

Weve had a few screen backs in the pavillion this season. LUTV has had a few views for the non sky games. We pay £10 I think its free tonight. Think 40000 paid for the Blackburn game. We would probably look at making a stadium no more than 60000. We have the land around the ground.Tottenhams cost 1bn and some of the seats are very expensive.I think our chairman will look at external funding via the local council and San Francisco 49ers .they have a high tech stadium that is very involved in fast broadband, media etc.Our ground is in need of modernising leg room is terrible in most of the stands. MK Dons have a decent space and Arsenal when we went in the cup.Ive always been interested in how and what areas do the two clubs draw the support. When I used to come in 70s and 80s a few Everton fans i met were staunch protestants is that still the same?

 

[Onwards Evertonians]

When I used to come in 70s and 80s a few Everton fans i met were staunch protestants is that still the same?

No we're mixed, it's not like Glasgow here.

 

[Onwards Evertonians]

We would probably look at making a stadium no more than 60000. We have the land around the ground.

Have Leeds got the money to move on this, as you say it won't be cheap.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Tongue firmly in cheek on that comment. We needed Everton to win that game. ,I think beginning of season we had an injury crisis,remember going to Barcelona and getting played off the park. We played catch up all season,Bowyer was our key player despite the court case .

Bowyer and Woodgate should have been thrown out of the club. Racist cavemen.

 

[catcherintherye]

I think historically all football attendances have been cyclical.The premier league is a massive brand,social media obviously is an important element of it,along with all the television rights. I can remember in the 70s when Newcastle had 7000 for a Division 1 game when they were relegated, when you're bad people don't want to go. If the style of football is crap all these factors come into it. I think with football as you get older,finding a decent pub with good beer ,a laugh with you mates and watching your team play to the best of its ability is all you can hope for. Winning titles cups etc is a bonus. We will enjoy our moment,and just see what happens. Half my family are Everton,half are Leeds.We are 16 years behind you in financial terms,so anything now is a bonus.

I think thats a good way of looking at it, you always have to out into context the wider football attendences. I mean the number of fans in the 70's/80's was much smaller than today.

I tend to look at ranges in terms of where a club is at relative. Evertonn range from tghe best supported team to I think about the 12th best supported team over the history of the game. Only a handful of teams can claim to have had even a single season being the best supported team. Leeds range appears to go from 3-37. So you've never quite been the best supported, but it's quite a tight range to be fair. In recent times, even when you dropped down to the third tier, you have still been the 25th best supported team, so it's a pretty decent achievement. Sunderland have dropped to the 16th best supported team, but will be interesting to see if that goes down further next season.

A quick comparison to some other teams ranges; Newcastle 1-26, Spurs 1-16, City 1-14 (but post war is 3-14), Sunderland 2-32. You would say Leeds are similar but probably slightly behind that group.

Where Leeds are certainly ahead of are clubs like Watford 11-74, Sheffield United 9-32 & Southampton 12-47.

It's interesting the comment about social media too though. While it appears a bit crash, these arevery much the new breed of fans, not just abroad but also amongst the next generation of match goers. In a place like Leeds, with the time you've been out of the league, there are probably a generation of fans who haven't gone to watch Leeds, either in the ground or on TV who may have done had you been in the top division. So poeple have to be careful when they assume Leeds will just automatically be eating at the top table again. For agents, players etc there will be some scpeticism as to who Leeds are and may take a bit more persuading than some think.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I think thats a good way of looking at it, you always have to out into context the wider football attendences. I mean the number of fans in the 70's/80's was much smaller than today.

I tend to look at ranges in terms of where a club is at relative. Evertonn range from tghe best supported team to I think about the 12th best supported team over the history of the game. Only a handful of teams can claim to have had even a single season being the best supported team. Leeds range appears to go from 3-37. So you've never quite been the best supported, but it's quite a tight range to be fair. In recent times, even when you dropped down to the third tier, you have still been the 25th best supported team, so it's a pretty decent achievement. Sunderland have dropped to the 16th best supported team, but will be interesting to see if that goes down further next season.

A quick comparison to some other teams ranges; Newcastle 1-26, Spurs 1-16, City 1-14 (but post war is 3-14), Sunderland 2-32. You would say Leeds are similar but probably slightly behind that group.

Where Leeds are certainly ahead of are clubs like Watford 11-74, Sheffield United 9-32 & Southampton 12-47.

It's interesting the comment about social media too though. While it appears a bit crash, these arevery much the new breed of fans, not just abroad but also amongst the next generation of match goers. In a place like Leeds, with the time you've been out of the league, there are probably a generation of fans who haven't gone to watch Leeds, either in the ground or on TV who may have done had you been in the top division. So poeple have to be careful when they assume Leeds will just automatically be eating at the top table again. For agents, players etc there will be some scpeticism as to who Leeds are and may take a bit more persuading than some think.

It has begun lol

 

[catcherintherye]

It has begun lol

Leeds are a big club, or were when I grew up. However football is not predimately played, moderated, organised by blokes like me and you. It's an international game. They are a club who've had no top flight exposure for 15+ years. If a German club came up after 15 years, would you know who they were?

We have a similar issue with viewing ourselves as an elite club. No trophy,no league, a small splattering of European football over 30 years. We do at least have top flight exposure though.