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2019/20 Leighton Baines.

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The crap manager got us our best ever PL season, to Wembley and then managed a team to within a whisker of a World Cup final.

Martinez is a better manager than Baines was a LB, for sure. LBs can defend...something he's never done to a great standard or consistently all his career.
The football in Martinez first season was great to watch. Thereafter it was awful, just awful.
 
He's a winner though and he wasn't afraid to speak his mind, rattle a few cages.

I must admit when he made his sharp exit i thought he had a bad attitude but looking back maybe he just thought he was being told absolute nonsense on a daily basis and didn't like it.
More like he wanted to rule the roost.

He was out within 6 months. The club couldn't believe thir luck Sampdoria wanted to take him off their hands.

No fee. An experiment that didn't come off.

Defo not on the same level of disastrous signings than, for example, Van Der Meyde.
 
The football in Martinez first season was great to watch. Thereafter it was awful, just awful.
Because it was subverted from within.

Either side of the subversion we had our best season since the 80s and then his management of the Belgian national team...considered to be that country's best ever period.
 

More like he wanted to rule the roost.

He was out within 6 months. The club couldn't believe thir luck Sampdoria wanted to take him off their hands.

No fee. An experiment that didn't come off.

Defo not on the same level of disastrous signings than, for example, Van Der Meyde.

No it was just a shame because hopes were so high when he signed.

In financial terms it wasn't a disaster at all.

What happened behind closed doors might have made the team uncertain of their manager though.
 
Because it was subverted from within.

Either side of the subversion we had our best season since the 80s and then his management of the Belgian national team...considered to be that country's best ever period.

And considered to be their country's greatest ever footballers.

It's not like he turned up and had to mould top players out of a bunch of Belgian part timers.
 
Because it was subverted from within.

Either side of the subversion we had our best season since the 80s and then his management of the Belgian national team...considered to be that country's best ever period.
I only have one question Dave, has Baines been a top player for us, because the vast majority, I'm talking 90%+ would say he's been one of the best LB's the club has ever had.

There was around 3 or 4 seasons in his pomp, and his stats backed it up, where he was arguably the best LB in europe.
 

No it was just a shame because hopes were so high when he signed.

In financial terms it wasn't a disaster at all.

What happened behind closed doors might have made the team uncertain of their manager though.
There was nothing peculiar to Martinez about that. As his successors have learned, the Everton Dressing Room Anarcho Syndicalist Group were prepared to undermine any manager. They did it to Moyes also at the end of his second season. They laid down the law after the Man City hiding on the fnal day of that season that they wouldn't be playing ball unless they had their way. They apparently also kicked off after the Anfield hiding in December when even Ferguson was astonished at their sedition against one of the best managers ever.
 
I only have one question Dave, has Baines been a top player for us, because the vast majority, I'm talking 90%+ would say he's been one of the best LB's the club has ever had.

There was around 3 or 4 seasons in his pomp, and his stats backed it up, where he was arguably the best LB in europe.
I've said repeatedly: I judge LBs by being LBs. He was a winger adapted to become a FB (nominally so).

He had his best time here when Pienaar did his dirty work for him.
 
Because it was subverted from within.

Either side of the subversion we had our best season since the 80s and then his management of the Belgian national team...considered to be that country's best ever period.
No mate, he couldn’t organise a defence while at Everton and the players were hopelessly unfit. The pre seasons were dreadful leaving the team under prepared.
It became slow awful football, culminating with one of the worst ever performances at Anfield I have witnessed (and we have a lot to choose from).
It was a thoroughly rotten period and we are still dealing with the fallout.
I know you liked him, but nothing you write will convince the majority of us that it was anything but ab utterly miserable period.
Football is primarily entertainment, and it was anything but.
 
True though. I'm staggered he's here at his age and the shape he's in.

Just a lack of decisiveness from Silva/Brands. Why on earth do we need him now when we have those three ahead of him? We dont.
Only Digne is ahead of him though.
That’s Ancelotti’s view. He talked about players he’s had playing till they’re 40.
Expect a three year contract!!
 

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