Lukaku - Love affair over ?

[pedro1976]

Agree on this, deep down some want to use the selling of him as a excuse to moan and knock the club, moan about us selling him but cant really because he left us with no choice

The gobby brat used every international break to pimp himself out. Spent his lap of appreciation in his last game of the season on his phone congratulating his Chelsea buddies.

Funny... never heard one Everton player talk about him after he went. Players like Gareth Barry, Steven Naismith left, players came out to wish them well.

I'll admit it. I'm enjoying watching him struggle as much as he enjoyed man United scoring against us.

 

[roydo]

The gobby brat used every international break to pimp himself out. Spent his lap of appreciation in his last game of the season on his phone congratulating his Chelsea buddies.

Funny... never heard one Everton player talk about him after he went. Players like Gareth Barry, Steven Naismith left, players came out to wish them well.

I'll admit it. I'm enjoying watching him struggle as much as he enjoyed man United scoring against us.

Aye. A good player, but never an Evertonian.

 

[pedro1976]

Aye. A good player, but never an Evertonian.

A good player? No far from it. Good finisher yeah.

Peter Beardsley came to us from Liverpool and showed us 20 times the respect lukaku did. Nothing to do with being an Evertonian. Just not a good pro.

 

[Tubey]

I've never been bothered about his ambition. If people are stupid enough to value him above and beyond his ability and pay him then all power to him. I'd rather every Everton player had the same ambition to play for the biggest and best clubs in the world, as that's the only way they'll mentally be able to perform to a world class level. Yes, the international windows got annoying but that was our problem, not his - it's up to us and the club to dismiss it as noise rather than letting it destablilise.

No, my problem with Lukaku actually isn't with him - it's with the baffling opinions of other fans who see things that I simply don't. When people call him a "world class footballer" I just find myself shaking my head. Amazingly, that was the genuine, dominant opinion on here for years, and I simply couldn't see it, whether in an Everton shirt or not.

My best explanation is that there are fans who have a Roy of the Rovers mindset, where if the number nine is scoring goals then that's all that matters. That was true in the 80s, but it hasn't been true in the modern game for a long time. So I think that's where the disconnect is with the opinion on Lukaku.

 

[roydo]

A good player? No far from it. Good finisher yeah.

Peter Beardsley came to us from Liverpool and showed us 20 times the respect lukaku did. Nothing to do with being an Evertonian. Just not a good pro.

Well that was what he was paid to do. In that context, a good player.

Agree with the rest mind.

 

[Baines' left foot]

Got picked for England as a wing back after years out the side.

Got picked for England as a wing back after years out the side.

David Nugent has a 1 in 1 scoring record for England.

 

[SantaClausisanEvertonian]

For me, he's never lost the tag of being lethal against weak opposition but absent when playing the better teams. Until he corrects this, he will never be a world class footballer in my opinion.
Is the love affair over? I'm not sure there was one to begin with.

 

[YoboCopter]

Asif hes going to end up at west ham

 

[marsh]

I've never been bothered about his ambition. If people are stupid enough to value him above and beyond his ability and pay him then all power to him. I'd rather every Everton player had the same ambition to play for the biggest and best clubs in the world, as that's the only way they'll mentally be able to perform to a world class level. Yes, the international windows got annoying but that was our problem, not his - it's up to us and the club to dismiss it as noise rather than letting it destablilise.

No, my problem with Lukaku actually isn't with him - it's with the baffling opinions of other fans who see things that I simply don't. When people call him a "world class footballer" I just find myself shaking my head. Amazingly, that was the genuine, dominant opinion on here for years, and I simply couldn't see it, whether in an Everton shirt or not.

My best explanation is that there are fans who have a Roy of the Rovers mindset, where if the number nine is scoring goals then that's all that matters. That was true in the 80s, but it hasn't been true in the modern game for a long time. So I think that's where the disconnect is with the opinion on Lukaku.

Thats fine but then i think it was you who said Tosun is better than Lukaku or something which is just getting abit silly really.. dislike Rom and say hes terrible all you like but hes better than Tosun

 

[Tubey]

Thats fine but then i think it was you who said Tosun is better than Lukaku or something which is just getting abit silly really.. dislike Rom and say hes terrible all you like but hes better than Tosun

Well, there's no real point disagreeing with you, because when Lukaku next scores a goal, you'll see that as proof that he's a better 'footballer', whereas to me it'd be proof of absolutely nothing, which is exactly the point I made above.

So we're comparing apples and oranges. Tosun is a better overall footballer than Lukaku in the modern game (hell, so are a dozen others in the league right now, even Callum Wilson at Bournemouth) but there's absolutely no way you'll ever understand why I see it that way so, yeah, no point discussing it.

 

[dholliday]

Tosun is a better overall footballer than Lukaku in the modern game

hahahaha

 

[hullefc]

I wonder if he's one of the players 'that cares' or not?

 

[TheBigIguana]

I've never been bothered about his ambition. If people are stupid enough to value him above and beyond his ability and pay him then all power to him. I'd rather every Everton player had the same ambition to play for the biggest and best clubs in the world, as that's the only way they'll mentally be able to perform to a world class level. Yes, the international windows got annoying but that was our problem, not his - it's up to us and the club to dismiss it as noise rather than letting it destablilise.

No, my problem with Lukaku actually isn't with him - it's with the baffling opinions of other fans who see things that I simply don't. When people call him a "world class footballer" I just find myself shaking my head. Amazingly, that was the genuine, dominant opinion on here for years, and I simply couldn't see it, whether in an Everton shirt or not.

My best explanation is that there are fans who have a Roy of the Rovers mindset, where if the number nine is scoring goals then that's all that matters. That was true in the 80s, but it hasn't been true in the modern game for a long time. So I think that's where the disconnect is with the opinion on Lukaku.

The last paragraph is the key point. If you look at the strikers at the top teams such as Benzema, Suarez, Lewandowski, Aguero, Ronaldo they all offer something else. For Rom it very often is he scores or he plays poorly and top teams can't afford to have that.

 

[Black Belt Jones]

Well, there's no real point disagreeing with you, because when Lukaku next scores a goal, you'll see that as proof that he's a better 'footballer', whereas to me it'd be proof of absolutely nothing, which is exactly the point I made above.

So we're comparing apples and oranges. Tosun is a better overall footballer than Lukaku in the modern game (hell, so are a dozen others in the league right now, even Callum Wilson at Bournemouth) but there's absolutely no way you'll ever understand why I see it that way so, yeah, no point discussing it.

Rom scores goals that Callum Wilson, and the majority of other centre forwards, would be unable to. So it's true he's an atrocity of a football player in the technical sense, but this cannot be ignored. It's maybe not apparent right now with Utd, in fact I was just watching his goals from last season on youtube and the vast majority were bread and butter that Callum Wilson and Cenk Tosun could indeed have knocked in, but when he was with us you could clearly see that. Maybe that's because we had the ball less so he was playing more counterattacking football which is right in his wheelhouse.

So Rom ending up at a second or third tier side is likely bollox, as he would slay in the right system. Whether that system exists I don't really know as I hardly watch football outside of Everton, but there must be at least a couple of CL sides who can absorb pressure, play on the counter, and won't be asking Rom to build play or anything like that in the final third.

 

[Tubey]

Rom scores goals that Callum Wilson, and the majority of other centre forwards, would be unable to. So it's true he's an atrocity of a football player in the technical sense, but this cannot be ignored. It's maybe not apparent right now with Utd, in fact I was just watching his goals from last season on youtube and the vast majority were bread and butter that Callum Wilson and Cenk Tosun could indeed have knocked in, but when he was with us you could clearly see that. Maybe that's because we had the ball less so he was playing more counterattacking football which is right in his wheelhouse.

So Rom ending up at a second or third tier side is likely bollox, as he would slay in the right system. Whether that system exists I don't really know as I hardly watch football outside of Everton, but there must be at least a couple of CL sides who can absorb pressure, play on the counter, and won't be asking Rom to build play or anything like that in the final third.

You're agreeing with me I think.

I don't know if you've read what I've said on him before, but I've frequently said Lukaku would be (and has proven himself to be) world class in a counter attacking system. Not many better in world football at that. I don't say Lukaku is totally hopeless at every aspect of football, as that would be ridiculous - it takes a certain type of talent to score as many goals as he does, but that talent pretty much alone isn't enough to be a good actual footballer overall.

But to answer your question, no top side plays that way who are aiming to win trophies. United didn't until last season - they had Ibrahimovic the year before, played more technical, slow possession football and won a double, which speaks volumes. Top sides either play the high press with a varied attack of pace and technique (like Liverpool right now) or they play dominant possession based, patient football based on unlocking defences with technique and stifling the opponent.

Lukaku can't play in either of those systems. It doesn't matter if he's in an average side like Everton trying to play that way or if he has hundreds of millions in player talent around him - he's simply a liability at a top club. Mourinho would do well to recognise that and drop him, because sure, you may lose goals in the short term, but I'm absolutely certain you'll win more in the long term.