Lukaku - Love affair over ?

[pedro1976]

So people are genuinely saying they wouldn’t have him back on a footballing basis?

It’s like they’ve slept through the last 15 months.

Taking lukaku back? Haha.... no ta. I think we are still in the process if getting rid of gutless incompetent money grabbing cowards who have saddled our club with a losers mentality..... like mirallas, Williams, et al....

I would sooner have Tosun all day long. He may not be the answer but he certainly wouldn't harm our long term objective of being able to play a high pressing game. Lukaku like tubey said is a one dimensional footballer...... like heskey at Leicester, counter attack and run on to the ball. Unfortunately for lukaku the game nowadays requires the ability to control a ball.

 

[Parker]

Taking lukaku back? Haha.... no ta. I think we are still in the process if getting rid of gutless incompetent money grabbing cowards who have saddled our club with a losers mentality..... like mirallas, Williams, et al....

I would sooner have Tosun all day long. He may not be the answer but he certainly wouldn't harm our long term objective of being able to play a high pressing game. Lukaku like tubey said is a one dimensional footballer...... like heskey at Leicester, counter attack and run on to the ball. Unfortunately for lukaku the game nowadays requires the ability to control a ball.

You are genuinely mad. Rom is 5 times the striker of anyone we have. I bet he scores more this season alone than our 3 strikers combined. You are a fool to suggest Tosun is better than him imo.

 

[Tubey]

Taking lukaku back? Haha.... no ta. I think we are still in the process if getting rid of gutless incompetent money grabbing cowards who have saddled our club with a losers mentality..... like mirallas, Williams, et al....

I would sooner have Tosun all day long. He may not be the answer but he certainly wouldn't harm our long term objective of being able to play a high pressing game. Lukaku like tubey said is a one dimensional footballer...... like heskey at Leicester, counter attack and run on to the ball. Unfortunately for lukaku the game nowadays requires the ability to control a ball.

I agree except for the Heskey point. He's the opposite of what Heskey was.

 

[paulbefc]

You are genuinely mad. Rom is 5 times the striker of anyone we have. I bet he scores more this season alone than our 3 strikers combined. You are a fool to suggest Tosun is better than him imo.

If fans of other clubs saw this thread they'd think we're actually insane.

 

[wandyr79]

I am finding this Tosun or Lukaku thing quite interesting mainly because I am (sort of) on the fence.

I really like Tosun but at the moment it is a hope he starts scoring rather than a genuine belief and with Lukaku, as has been mentioned, will score goals.

In this current set up I think he might be a detriment to it, the threat from other players will be lessened. Lukaku needs to be the focal point and everybody needs to do the running to give him a goalscoring opportunity so it is less of an attacking unit and more an attacking unit -1 player.

Tosun (or a similar player) allows Richarlison and Walcott a bit of space as he occupies defenders. Lukaku does not do that and would then mean that the wider players would have less space as it frees up defenders to focus on the main threats to the service rather than the whole attacking unit.

 

[pedro1976]

You are genuinely mad. Rom is 5 times the striker of anyone we have. I bet he scores more this season alone than our 3 strikers combined. You are a fool to suggest Tosun is better than him imo.

5 times the striker??? He can't control a football, he can't dribble. He can't pass it unless he has 5 touches to get it set....

Seems that you just judge strikers on goals alone. I look into it a bit more and his "goals" come at a huge cost.

1. The team has to be set up to play 1980's kick it over the top (Everton 86 vs Everton 84) just to accolade one player.

2. No chance of a high press ... He's bone idle.

3. Does not score big game goals..... patches his record up against cannon fodder

4. Not a team player. Not one of his team mates seem to like him probably for all points above.


If you want a player who can look Good against the bottom half.... roms your man. I'd sooner look for the next right striker not go back to the wrong one.

 

[Parker]

5 times the striker??? He can't control a football, he can't dribble. He can't pass it unless he has 5 touches to get it set....

Seems that you just judge strikers on goals alone. I look into it a bit more and his "goals" come at a huge cost.

1. The team has to be set up to play 1980's kick it over the top (Everton 86 vs Everton 84) just to accolade one player.

2. No chance of a high press ... He's bone idle.

3. Does not score big game goals..... patches his record up against cannon fodder

4. Not a team player. Not one of his team mates seem to like him probably for all points above.


If you want a player who can look Good against the bottom half.... roms your man. I'd sooner look for the next right striker not go back to the wrong one.

1. The team has to be set up to play 1980's kick it over the top (Everton 86 vs Everton 84) just to accolade one player. Yeah I forgot Martinez was a preacher of long ball tactics. Seemed to do alright in Bobbys passing team with direct involvement in 83 goals in 130 games. Not bad for not playing to his strengths as you see them.

2. No chance of a high press ... He's bone idle. Definitely isn't bone idle, also has never played in a high pressing team so you wouldn't know if he is capable of high press.

3. Does not score big game goals..... patches his record up against cannon fodder Fair enough point. But Tosun doesn't score against anyone atm so also irrelevant.

4. Not a team player. Not one of his team mates seem to like him probably for all points above Pure wham, you know nothing about how his team mates view him.

If you want a player who can look Good against the bottom half.... roms your man. I'd sooner look for the next right striker not go back to the wrong one. He would never come back, that isn't the point. The point is he is comfortably better than anything we have.

This whole thing just seems like bitterness to me. Save that for Barkley who actually deserves it.

 

[pedro1976]

1. The team has to be set up to play 1980's kick it over the top (Everton 86 vs Everton 84) just to accolade one player. Yeah I forgot Martinez was a preacher of long ball tactics. Seemed to do alright in Bobbys passing team with direct involvement in 83 goals in 130 games. Not bad for not playing to his strengths as you see them.

2. No chance of a high press ... He's bone idle. Definitely isn't bone idle, also has never played in a high pressing team so you wouldn't know if he is capable of high press.

3. Does not score big game goals..... patches his record up against cannon fodder Fair enough point. But Tosun doesn't score against anyone atm so also irrelevant.

4. Not a team player. Not one of his team mates seem to like him probably for all points above Pure wham, you know nothing about how his team mates view him.

If you want a player who can look Good against the bottom half.... roms your man. I'd sooner look for the next right striker not go back to the wrong one. He would never come back, that isn't the point. The point is he is comfortably better than anything we have.

This whole thing just seems like bitterness to me. Save that for Barkley who actually deserves it.

We will soon see won't we? Nailed on man United reject and many on here predicted it. Isn't lazy??? ... covered less km than some goalkeepers in some games.

I don't blame Barkley for leaving. He had fans on his back and a striker playing musical statues in front of him. He just never had the strength that pogba did to call him out for it.

 

[Black Belt Jones]

2. No chance of a high press ... He's bone idle. Definitely isn't bone idle, also has never played in a high pressing team so you wouldn't know if he is capable of high press.

I don't think he's fundamentally bone idle either, like he doesn't care, but his problem is that he's doing a superb impression of a lazy bstard. No way could play a high tempo, pressing game - I mean the facts speak for themselves, the guy measures his effort (to put it extremely charitable). A real press is brutal on the striker(s) - interval sprints again and again that even the fittest, game players can't sustain over 90 minutes. No chance Lukaku can physically or mentally do this.
I didn't actually mind him (much) refusing to run around and do busywork just for the fan's sake, show's confidence in your game if anything. Plus he's obv a big strong bloke who isn't built for constant, high mileage running. But he has to deliver - fail to score, fail to shine in the big games, and the fact he ran one mile or whatever in 90 minutes is rightly going to be used to castigate him for laziness.

 

[marsh]

Atleast we will get 75million for Tosun off a big 6 club, so we could buy a new striker using that

 

[Tin-Tin]

So people are genuinely saying they wouldn’t have him back on a footballing basis?

It’s like they’ve slept through the last 15 months.

I was never a fan and he very often frustrated me with his inability to control or pass a football at times, however his finishing ability was second to none and so superior to our current strikers, so im torn.

He will never make it at the very top though as ge's not technically good enough.

 

[paulbefc]

Atleast we will get 75million for Tosun off a big 6 club, so we could buy a new striker using that

Once you factor in inflation and that Tosun is the better player, we should really be asking for more than £75m.

Laughing at United finishing 2nd with Lukaku when they could have been finishing 8th with our Cenk. I expect they've seen their error and will come in with a £100m offer for Tosun in January.

 

[Carlito]

This has been a fantastic lesson (and indeed the last 12 months have been) in the importance of goalscoring versus all-round game when it comes to the lone striker. It's your failure to correctly value his goalscoring ability that led you to say that you'd rather have Tosun playing for us than Lukaku, which is a bit mental. It should be becoming clear now that it's not those who rate him that are wrong here.

I understand why you see it the way you do, you're just massively over-valuing some skills at the expense of ones that are infinitely more important.

If you look at Everton's league positions in the years before, during and after Lukaku's spell here, I think you'll see that this argument doesn't really hold up. His overall impact was pretty minimal.

For £75m and £250k a-week, I'd be wanting someone to come in and do what Suarez did for Liverpool.

 

[paulbefc]

If you look at Everton's league positions in the years before, during and after Lukaku's spell here, I think you'll see that this argument doesn't really hold up. His overall impact was pretty minimal.

For £75m and £250k a-week, I'd be wanting someone to come in and do what Suarez did for Liverpool.

It certainly does hold up when you don't consider league positions in complete isolation for convenience and overlook the hundreds of millions we've spent on the squad since then.

Suarez was bordering on being the best player in the world in his last year there. Good luck getting that for £75m.

 

[Carlito]

It certainly does hold up when you don't consider league positions in complete isolation for convenience and overlook the hundreds of millions we've spent on the squad since then.

Suarez was bordering on being the best player in the world in his last year there. Good luck getting that for £75m.

The only player that wouldn't be here now if Lukaku hadn't left is Tosun, and he cost less than £30m. The rest of the crap would have been brought in regardless, and even with Lukaku here, the team would still been finishing 7th or 8th at best.

The reason I mentioned Suarez is because he's a perfect example of what can happen when you drop a world-class player into a previously mid-table team. Someone of that calibre is worth breaking the bank to get (not that they actually had to spend much at all).