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Lukaku

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Adversus said:
Got to ask all the diehard Lukaku fans.

If teams figure out how to play him and he can't score. What's he worth if we where to sell him?
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There is an element of risk in any signings we make not working out. That's football. We can't look at things like that, 'what if', it doesn't work.

You're happy to blow £10mill on a 19year old who's never played Prem football and has only just started playing for his Club in France. It makes no sense.

I'm not a die hard Lukaku fan but I know what he brings to the table. His goals outweigh his lack of technique, If he doesn't get better then that's part of the gamble when you sign somebody.
 
Some strikers like Rooney still bring a lot to the team if they stop scoring. We would have to bench Lukaku because it would be like playing with 10 men which would make any drought he went through in a season very hard to come back from.
 
Adversus said:
A proven goal scorer is someone who has gone more than two seasons and with the same team.

But I was purely talking about the amount of money. Here I'll try it in simpler language.

We can't afford 20m if things go wrong.
We can afford 8m-10m if things go wrong.
Good?
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Proven in the EPL - I'd suggest that scoring 15+ league goals at 2 different clubs with 2 different styles of play is even more impressive than having achieved the same goal tally with the same team.

As for your fees - that's ridiculous logic.

We can afford to spunk £10m on a lad who's done nothing in the game at all & has never kicked a ball in the EPL - as that's supposedly not a massive gamble.

But to pay double that amount for a 1 in 2 proven EPL striker is a gamble too far?

If it goes 'wrong' the former is pro rata a much bigger gamble as that lad has no pedigree whatsoever and could be worth virtually nothing within a season. Lukaku has proven he can cut it in the EPL and his value is never going to plummet.
 

Adversus said:
Kenwyne Jones - If he stops scoring that's exactly who we would have for 20m.
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Only Jones has only scored 7 more PL goals than Lukaku despite having played 7 full seasons compared to Lukaku's 2. He's also never scored more than 10 in a season and he's only managed that once.

Those facts aside it's a brilliant comparison.....
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
Proven in the EPL - I'd suggest that scoring 15+ league goals at 2 different clubs with 2 different styles of play is even more impressive than having achieved the same goal tally with the same team.

As for your fees - that's ridiculous logic.

We can afford to spunk £10m on a lad who's done nothing in the game at all & has never kicked a ball in the EPL - as that's supposedly not a massive gamble.

But to pay double that amount for a 1 in 2 proven EPL striker is a gamble too far?

If it goes 'wrong' the former is pro rata a much bigger gamble as that lad has no pedigree whatsoever and could be worth virtually nothing within a season. Lukaku has proven he can cut it in the EPL and his value is never going to plummet.
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Yakubu ended up going for £2m after signing for £11m, and was a proven EPL goalscorer. James Beattie came to us off the back of 27 EPL goals over two seasons - we were incredibly lucky to only make a £2m loss on him.

I agree with you in the sense that I doubt he'll ever move for under £15m whilst he's under the age of 30 just based on his physicality and goalscoring exploits thus far, but I think it's another step entirely to say £20m is a no brainer with him as it represents not just a financial risk, but a squad improvement risk too, because that money could be used elsewhere if the coaching staff weren't 100% on him.

As it happens, I think they are 100% in wanting him. I don't think many blues will be upset exactly if we spent £20-25m on him, but I for one would be keeping my fingers cross he works the substantial amount of utter gashness he has out of his game sooner rather than later.
 
Origi is also a player who was taken to the World Cup for Belgium at 19. A team at the moment who is much better than England.

When you are talking of potential upside out of the two I would put my money on Origi to be the one that goes on to be world class if either of them do and at 8m-10m that punt might be worth it.

I wouldn't pay 20m for Lukaku if I knew beforehand he wasn't going to get any better. There are cheaper alternatives. Right now Bony is better and cheaper nevermind Remy etc
 
It goes beyond finding a striker for less than 20 million who can put in 15+ goals which, incidentally, I think is very possible. I think Lukaku did alright for us last season. He was good in spurts, and contributed to a pretty great year. But I don't think it's a case of "sure, he needs to improve", rather than a case of how incomplete a player he is. He has very little in terms of vision or game intelligence at the moment and doesn't really add much to our overall play. Spending 20 million on him is a much bigger risk than people are making out at the moment, particularly for a club with limited finances that needs to deepen it's squad for the European clusterf**k we've landed in next season.
 

2 different camps here and getting nowhere fast lol.

I'm just going to say whoever we sign I hope they can give us the goals we need to take us forward.

If it's not Lukaku then I hope he goes on to be the striker he feels he can be and we will carry on as always.
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
Only Jones has only scored 7 more PL goals than Lukaku despite having played 7 full seasons compared to Lukaku's 2. He's also never scored more than 10 in a season and he's only managed that once.

Those facts aside it's a brilliant comparison.....
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Thankyou.

I'm glad you agree that if he stops scoring he is Kenwyne Jones.
 
Tubey said:
Yakubu ended up going for £2m after signing for £11m, and was a proven EPL goalscorer. James Beattie came to us off the back of 27 EPL goals over two seasons - we were incredibly lucky to only make a £2m loss on him.

I agree with you in the sense that I doubt he'll ever move for under £15m whilst he's under the age of 30 just based on his physicality and goalscoring exploits thus far, but I think it's another step entirely to say £20m is a no brainer with him as it represents not just a financial risk, but a squad improvement risk too, because that money could be used elsewhere if the coaching staff weren't 100% on him.

As it happens, I think they are 100% in wanting him. I don't think many blues will be upset exactly if we spent £20-25m on him, but I for one would be keeping my fingers cross he works the substantial amount of utter gashness he has out of his game sooner rather than later.
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Oh come on mate.

Yakubu was 42, in the last year of his contract and was off the back of a ruptured Achilles that looked to have finished him as a top PL player.

The lads had no stability in his short career so far, it's time for him to settle down for a span and get some continuity in his life as well as his game.

On his day he's unplayable, an absolute beast of a striker and I fully trust Bobby and Dunc to get him consistently delivering.
 

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