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MaineEvertonian said:
bizzaro, you nailed it. That essentially says "He might go to Everton, might go to Wolfsburg, might stay at Chelsea." Well thanks, guys.
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@MoutsGoat nailed it first. I just linked it up.


I'm very clear that Chelsea need to sell Lukaku due to FFP and this is all a big game by them.


bizzaro said:
The question is how much money in transfers have Chelsea taken in versus how much they've spent.

Demba Ba out £8m
David Luiz out for £40m

Diego Costa in £32m
Fabregas in £30m
Filipe Luis in £20m

Thats net spend £34m

For Financial Fair Play selling us Lukaku for £18-£20-odd million will help them enormously on their three year average.

Would mean next two year they can make a loss of 14.5million per season (then factor in our transfer money) to meet the rules.

Without our money - its £5.5million losses per year limit.


He'll be sold.

This will make Chelsea in the eyes of UEFA happier that losses are declining.


It is mandatory for Chelsea to reduce losses in 2013-14 to ensure that it remains compliant with FFP during the second monitoring period, the club will still be allowed around £38m in total losses over the 2011-12, 2012-13, and 2013-14 books.
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bizzaro said:
@MoutsGoat nailed it first. I just linked it up.


I'm very clear that Chelsea need to sell Lukaku due to FFP and this is all a big game by them.
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I dont think you quite have a grasp on how FFP works pal, it's not just transfers that goes towards it.

For example, if Everton today signed a partnerhsip with, lets say Coca Cola, for £10m a year (I know we would never get that big any time soon), that £10m goes towards the revenue brought in and Chelsea could spend it if they wanted.

Obviously they have to pay wages and so forth but that isn't an issue with Luiz going. FFP isn't there to stop clubs spending, it's there to make sure clubs only spend money they have, so there isn't another Portsmouth, Leeds, etc.

It won't stop the big teams spending big put it that way, City will get away with it in future by agreeing deals with Etihad (where the city owner's relative owns them) and agree a huge "sponsorship deal" to advert it. There is a rule that you can't do that or it has to be realistic so they couldn't go and give them £100m a year or whatever.
 
andy4efc said:
I dont think you quite have a grasp on how FFP works pal, it's not just transfers that goes towards it.

For example, if Everton today signed a partnerhsip with, lets say Coca Cola, for £10m a year (I know we would never get that big any time soon), that £10m goes towards the revenue brought in and Chelsea could spend it if they wanted.

Obviously they have to pay wages and so forth but that isn't an issue with Luiz going. FFP isn't there to stop clubs spending, it's there to make sure clubs only spend money they have, so there isn't another Portsmouth, Leeds, etc.
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I've already factored that in. They recently had the three year assessment passed up to this season - but it was at their very limit. They are also being investigated over 16million of other revenue still.

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If you don't believe this look at what they are saying:

http://www.espnfc.com/chelsea/story...g-to-abide-by-uefas-financial-fair-play-rules

"Chelsea's latest accounts, reported by the Press Association, read: "The introduction of UEFA's financial fair play (FFP) regulations from the 2011-12 season provides a significant challenge.

"The football club needs to continue to balance success on the field together with the financial imperatives of this new regime."

Chelsea's new approach will make life complicated in the transfer market with Mourinho likely to have to sell players before he can buy the quality replacements he wants."
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They go on to talk about Lukaku there.

Chelsea's entire medium term business model now is offloading and making a profit on previous signings.


It is clear that the previous days of Chelsea buy buy buy instead of 'player trading' are gone.
 
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andy4efc said:
I dont think you quite have a grasp on how FFP works pal, it's not just transfers that goes towards it.

For example, if Everton today signed a partnerhsip with, lets say Coca Cola, for £10m a year (I know we would never get that big any time soon), that £10m goes towards the revenue brought in and Chelsea could spend it if they wanted.

Obviously they have to pay wages and so forth but that isn't an issue with Luiz going. FFP isn't there to stop clubs spending, it's there to make sure clubs only spend money they have, so there isn't another Portsmouth, Leeds, etc.

It won't stop the big teams spending big put it that way, City will get away with it in future by agreeing deals with Etihad (where the city owner's relative owns them) and agree a huge "sponsorship deal" to advert it. There is a rule that you can't do that or it has to be realistic so they couldn't go and give them £100m a year or whatever.
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Oh and your related-business sponsorships and non-market rate sponsorships.

Will not stand. UEFA are continuing to investigate Manchester City and were very critical about image rights deals they were signing.

I think you need to go read about FFP first yourself.
 

bizzaro said:
I've already factored that in. They recently had the three year assessment passed up to this season - but it was at their very limit. They are also being investigated over 16million of other revenue still.

Edit:

If you don't believe this look at what they are saying:

http://www.espnfc.com/chelsea/story...g-to-abide-by-uefas-financial-fair-play-rules


They go on to talk about Lukaku there.

Chelsea's entire medium term business model now is offloading and making a profit on previous signings.


It is clear that the previous days of Chelsea buy buy buy instead of 'player trading' are gone.
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they sold de bruyne for 18 mil
 

bizzaro said:
Oh and your related-business sponsorships and non-market rate sponsorships.

Will not stand. UEFA are continuing to investigate Manchester City and were very critical about image rights deals they were signing.

I think you need to go read about FFP first yourself.
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I don't need to.

I didn't say I didn't believe that Chelsea may be in a position that they need to offload before they buy, I was clearly pointing out that it's alot more than just player sales, much more. I don't really buy into the suggestion that they have to sell Lukaku to balance the books, at least not right now anyway. The top clubs will always find a way around it. The post I originally replied to didn't appear to have you factoring in the other revenue streams, but now you said you have, fair enough.

No need to be a [Poor language removed] about it.
 
andy4efc said:
I don't need to.

I didn't say I didn't believe that Chelsea may be in a position that they need to offload before they buy, I was clearly pointing out that it's alot more than just player sales, much more. I don't really buy into the suggestion that they have to sell Lukaku to balance the books, at least not right now anyway. The top clubs will always find a way around it. The post I originally replied to didn't appear to have you factoring in the other revenue streams, but now you said you have, fair enough.

No need to be a [Poor language removed] about it.
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Go read the links and the regulations before making claims someone like me doesn't understand FFP.
 
Nice to think that we're not the only "selling club" in the league now. Welcome to our world, Chelsea


(he said tongue very firmly in cheek)
 
bizzaro said:
Go read the links and the regulations before making claims someone like me doesn't understand FFP.
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Go and read you're post that I replied to and tell me where it was blatently obvious you factored in other sources of revenue.

Always forget can just put someone on ignore.
 

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