Lukaku

[bluestevon]

Chelsea paid 18m for him. Since then in two premiership seasons he has scored thirty league goals. He will be priced at 25m mininmum.

Chelsea paid 12m for him, since then its unlikely he has met any of the extra clauses ammasing to the extra 6m as they require he hits those targets with chelsea.

Plus theyve recieved an estimated 4-5m in loan fees from us and west brom, their net transfer expenditure outlay on him is probably around the 8m mark, anything over thats profit for them

Wont change much but annoys hearing the 18m figure the papers print get repeated like its gospel when its way out

 

[Tree13]

Just loan him again ffs. Come on Chelski, you don't need him.
Buy him next year when we're in the Champions League.

This is actually the best outcome for us. If Jose signs a couple of marquee strikers, keeping Lukaku down the pecking order at Chelsea, I would be HUGELY in favour of taking him on loan again - but this time with an option to buy. We could devote funds to strengthening other positions IF the right players can be found at the right price.

Roberto's use of the loan system has been inspired this year, and I think it's a model we should continue to follow. Why spend big money to purchase top-tier players? Loan them instead.

In fact, just for giggles, I would loan Lukaku, then buy Batshuayi and loan him BACK to his current club for a year. Use Kone and Traore as backups to Lukaku, see what we've got with them fit and then wait until summer 2015 to decide what to do - when hopefully we have a bit more cash, and an option to buy Lukaku.

 

[Tree13]

Chelsea paid 12m for him, since then its unlikely he has met any of the extra clauses ammasing to the extra 6m as they require he hits those targets with chelsea.

Plus theyve recieved an estimated 4-5m in loan fees from us and west brom, their net transfer expenditure outlay on him is probably around the 8m mark, anything over thats profit for them

Wont change much but annoys hearing the 18m figure the papers print get repeated like its gospel when its way out

You're right, but consider this - if he'd scored those 31 prem goals in 65 games for CHELSEA, would the add-ons have been activated? I think at least some of them would have.

I think he's meeting / exceeding the potential Chelsea saw in him as an 18 year old and whilst he might not be ready for CL football yet, he's unquestionably prem-ready. He has a poor first touch but is STILL scoring almost a goal every two games -that ratio is unlikely to get WORSE if / when his first touch improves. How many other strikers in the prem can boast 30+ goals in the prem over the last two seasons? Suarez, Sturridge, Van Persie, Augero, Rooney, Dzeko and Giroud? Benteke and maybe a couple others? We are talking expensive players here, and Lukaku is in their company despite being just 20 years old. Sturridge is 24, and everyone else in that list is older.

Chelsea will slap a price tag on him that acknowledges their up-front outlay (£12m), his two successful season in the prem with WBA and us since then, AND the fact that he's frighteningly young. I can't see that being LESS than £16m up front with another £8m in add-ons.

 

[bluestevon]

You're right, but consider this - if he'd scored those 31 prem goals in 65 games for CHELSEA, would the add-ons have been activated? I think at least some of them would have.

I think he's meeting / exceeding the potential Chelsea saw in him as an 18 year old and whilst he might not be ready for CL football yet, he's unquestionably prem-ready. He has a poor first touch but is STILL scoring almost a goal every two games -that ratio is unlikely to get WORSE if / when his first touch improves. How many other strikers in the prem can boast 30+ goals in the prem over the last two seasons? Suarez, Sturridge, Van Persie, Augero, Rooney, Dzeko and Giroud? Benteke and maybe a couple others? We are talking expensive players here, and Lukaku is in their company despite being just 20 years old. Sturridge is 24, and everyone else in that list is older.

Chelsea will slap a price tag on him that acknowledges their up-front outlay (£12m), his two successful season in the prem with WBA and us since then, AND the fact that he's frighteningly young. I can't see that being LESS than £16m up front with another £8m in add-ons.

Totally agree, was just trying to illustrate the 18m figure bandied around by the media is an effort to drive his price up in effect as a 25m transfer creates more headlines for them, the market reality is that at anything above 15m chelsea are making a substantial profit (my own guess is he will go for about 15-18m plus a further 6m in addons based on various targets chelsea believe he will meet)

 

[njligernj]

People used to massively over-value strikers and now it seems to have gone the other way. 25m would be fine -- obviously love to get him for less.

If you look at the goal scoring charts there simply aren't many strikers in the 15 goal and up range on a consistent basis. To not be willing to pay 20m+ for a guy like that is insanity. Plus we know he works on our team and in the Prem/England. The risk level on signing Lukaku is almost as low as you can realistically hope for. Many other players we might sign have far more risk: fit in team, fit in Prem, fit in England, are they actually any good, sell-on value questions (see Kone) etc.

I'd sign him even if it meant he was the only player we would sign all summer (might hope for a few youngsters/loans too but if he were the only first team purchase I'd call it a pretty good summer).

CL teams have depth because they have lots of money to afford it but the key to their success lies mostly on having excellence in the first eleven.

Arsenal have that insane 100m+ wage bill but even for them when they lost some of their best first choice players it killed their title hopes and even threatened their hold on fourth. They got it back when they got their first choice guys back and we lost it when we lost some of our first choice guys. Yeah we need some depth but you need first 11 excellence to challenge the top four ... RL gives us one more "could walk into almost any team" player. Those are the guys we need. 25m? Deal.

 

[Neiler]

20 - 25 mill and still a bargin.

Wont happen though.

 

[uknightbreed]

chelsea wont do us any favours and if they sell him they will tout him to any club they can.

watch liverpool spurs and newcastle bump his price up to 30 million + .

 

[bluemangroup]

chelsea wont do us any favours and if they sell him they will tout him to any club they can.

watch liverpool spurs and newcastle bump his price up to 30 million + .

Chelsea almost certainly wont do business with Spurs, Liverpool I'm not sure are in the market for a striker unless he-who-must-not-be-named leaves. Even then I'm not sure they're likely to want to work together. Newcastle......I hadn't honestly considered Newcastle, but I guess with Cabaye money they could put an offer together and they'd miss Remy next year, but dunno not sure I could see that happening really.

 

[hafnia]

I'm just wondering at what age it is that he will be able to control a football, when he is able to do that you will see a very good player. As it is what we are seeing is a player who likes to operate in the same way Beckford did for us.

Just got to face facts, despite being trained by the best around he still has an awful touch. Without a decent touch, he is always gonna be potential...

 

[TheFinnFan]

before brazil £19,6m

after brazil £26,2m

roughly x

 

[uknightbreed]

Chelsea almost certainly wont do business with Spurs, Liverpool I'm not sure are in the market for a striker unless he-who-must-not-be-named leaves. Even then I'm not sure they're likely to want to work together. Newcastle......I hadn't honestly considered Newcastle, but I guess with Cabaye money they could put an offer together and they'd miss Remy next year, but dunno not sure I could see that happening really.

the way i see it , if chelsea would sell mata to man utd , then if the money is right and will help get them a striker they see as better they will sell to anyone . liverpool will buy another striker and spurs will buy any big name just for the sake of it. but i can see why its perhaps unlikley more than likely.
newcastle , yep its a long shot , but if any club may get a new manager in and start throwing a bit of cash around (paying well over the odds just to get the names in) it may be them.

its wether or how much chelsea and lukaku are motivated by money imo.

 

[bluemangroup]

the way i see it , if chelsea would sell mata to man utd , then if the money is right and will help get them a striker they see as better they will sell to anyone . liverpool will buy another striker and spurs will buy any big name just for the sake of it. but i can see why its perhaps unlikley more than likely.
newcastle , yep its a long shot , but if any club may get a new manager in and start throwing a bit of cash around (paying well over the odds just to get the names in) it may be them.

its wether or how much chelsea and lukaku are motivated by money imo.

Spurs and Chelsea and transfers don't tend to go well with each other (modric, willian and so on). There's real bad blood between Liverpool and Chelsea, which has gotten even more sour this season with Salah being pinched and what not.
I'm probably just telling you what you already know at this point, but I think we stand as the most viable option for Lukaku in this country at least, if we can get the money they ask for him together.

 

[uknightbreed]

Spurs and Chelsea and transfers don't tend to go well with each other (modric, willian and so on). There's real bad blood between Liverpool and Chelsea, which has gotten even more sour this season with Salah being pinched and what not.
I'm probably just telling you what you already know at this point, but I think we stand as the most viable option for Lukaku in this country at least, if we can get the money they ask for him together.

i agree with all your points, but im not sure if it would stop both clubs offering and in doing so upping up the price. ie if we were the only club we could get him cheaper. for chelsea to consider those 'rivals' they would probably have to offer more.
im biased and a dreamer .... id like to think lukaku has already told chelsea ' i dont care what other clubs are interested or what they offer , im an evertonian and will be playing for them next season ,so set a price and sell me to them '

 

[GwladysStreetHero]

Need to sign him he's a hand full for defenders which brings others into play well worth 25m in my opinion

 

[bluemangroup]

i agree with all your points, but im not sure if it would stop both clubs offering and in doing so upping up the price. ie if we were the only club we could get him cheaper. for chelsea to consider those 'rivals' they would probably have to offer more.
im biased and a dreamer .... id like to think lukaku has already told chelsea ' i dont care what other clubs are interested or what they offer , im an evertonian and will be playing for them next season ,so set a price and sell me to them '

Possibly. But I think maybe Chelsea could charge different rates to who they deem more of a threat, making Lukaku as attractive as possible to those with less money (us). But we won't know untill he is here holding up a shirt and we are 20m poorer but as a team far richer.