Lukaku's Everton Frustration

[ham2]

Arsed anymore, but we must get things done early in the summer or the feel good factor will diminish very very quickly

 

[Lanolin]

The season is still ongoing, we have 10 games left, and still 30 points left to play for, including 4 of the 6 teams above us, and 6 what we would like to be able to call winnable games. Only time will tell if it has any negative affect on the team. Luckily, Koeman appears to have a better disciplinary grip on the squad than Martinez did, but judging by his reaction, it was not wanted or warranted, which suggests he wasn't happy with the timing of it either. Poorly timed.

Its also a month and a half too late to have any possible effect on transfer dealings, so if that indeed was a play to push the board in matching his ambition with marquee signings to prove we mean business, once again, it was poorly timed.

And finally, like I said, he has said this at a time when even the most sceptical and hard to please of us cannot deny, that we are finally showing more ambition than we have for almost an entire generation, maybe more. Whether that be the removal of Martinez, the appointment of Koeman, the money we have spent, the deals we are making commercially, the long overdue facelift of Goodison, the proposed new ground, the improved media presence, the publicity we are getting both in and away from the game... To come out now, and question our ambition, is at the very least, strangely timed, and I for one think it goes beyond that.

So yeah, I think poorly timed is fair.

We look almost certain to come 7th, I don't see how the timing is a problem at all. Our season was derailed in about October.

I said in another thread, the timing is just because it's now that he's made his decision. Unfortunately you can't only have good news coming out during the season, the club was happily trumpeting the idea he was going to sign and people lapped it up, you can't suddenly decide news shouldn't come out just because it's not what you want to hear.

 

[ianefc]

Bet he signs a new contract and still leaves the club.

If that happens we won't know until next September when no club has paid our price and Rom realised that he's spent the previous 20 weeks earning half what we were offering.

I think he's gone, for really good money.

 

[ianefc]

Even if we were champions league every season, Rom would still be mouthing off that he deserved to be at a team winning the CL and pushing for a move. He won't be satisfied until he has 10 world class players behind him providing him with the tap ins he needs to get carried to a trophy that he's not good enough to take us to by himself. If he moves we'll be seeing the same type of look at me interviews when he gets a titty lip on because Guardiola/ Ancelloti/Contetook one look at his first touch and lashed him on the bench.

TBF for him to give us the seasons he has, after back to back 11th placed finishes I don't blame him, 4 years is a decent return and get 3X our money ain't a bad deal for anyone.

He's never hid his desire to move on, international breaks became a matter of course. Even his opening press conference. I just urge people to not be conned by his reasoning. He wants out because he's been made aware of what clubs he could get, not because of our transfers.

 

[Kever10]

We look almost certain to come 7th, I don't see how the timing is a problem at all. Our season was derailed in about October.

I said in another thread, the timing is just because it's now that he's made his decision. Unfortunately you can't only have good news coming out during the season, the club was happily trumpeting the idea he was going to sign and people lapped it up, you can't suddenly decide news shouldn't come out just because it's not what you want to hear.

Well, without meaning to sound naive or unrealistic, In relation to not only being able to expect good news, I would like to think that at a point in time when nothing can be done anyway, him making a decision now does not necessitate him telling everyone said decision now, not when the season is ongoing.

And as far as lapping up good news and the club actively promoting it, that benefits morale of both the players and the fans, so why wouldn't they?

This on the other hand, could have the opposite effect, and benefits nobody but himself. It's a means to an end for him, and is self serving and unprofessional, I see no reason to defend it. What benefit is there in announcing this now rather than the end of the season, other than to make a political statement?

There's an old saying, if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all. There's a reason why it's popular.

 

[captainvindaloo]

TBF for him to give us the seasons he has, after back to back 11th placed finishes I don't blame him, 4 years is a decent return and get 3X our money ain't a bad deal for anyone.
He's never hid his desire to move on, international breaks became a matter of course. Even his opening press conference. I just urge people to not be conned by his reasoning. He wants out because he's been made aware of what clubs he could get, not because of our transfers.

I actually don't much care what he does or says as far as contracts and transfers go. All I want from him is lots of goals and 100% commitment from him until he leaves, (either this summer or whenever).

 

[ianefc]

I actually don't much care what he does or says as far as contracts and transfers go. All I want from him is lots of goals and 100% commitment from him until he leaves, (either this summer or whenever).

Hopefully he will, although last season after the Chelsea cup game he disappeared. Let's hope Koeman is a harder task master than Martinez.

 

[Lanolin]

Well, without meaning to sound naive or unrealistic, In relation to not only being able to expect good news, I would like to think that at a point in time when nothing can be done anyway, him making a decision now does not necessitate him telling everyone said decision now, not when the season is ongoing.

And as far as lapping up good news and the club actively promoting it, that benefits morale of both the players and the fans, so why wouldn't they?

This on the other hand, could have the opposite effect, and benefits nobody but himself. It's a means to an end for him, and is self serving and unprofessional, I see no reason to defend it. What benefit is there in announcing this now rather than the end of the season, other than to make a political statement?

There's an old saying, if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all. There's a reason why it's popular.

I'm not saying the club shouldn't try to be positive, simply that you can't have it both ways. You're effectively saying the club can be self serving and unprofessional by using purported good news to drive sales of merchandise, tickets and sponsorship, but the player has to allow them to do that while biting his tongue. It's a ridiculous notion.

In terms of waiting, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't isn't he. Get to the end of the season and then tell people and fans will say they were tricked into getting a season ticket, or he didn't give the club time to get a decent replacement lined up because he strung them along.

Basically, unless a player gives 10 years service, plays for free, and never has a bad game, many fans will take great delight in crucifying them.

 

[bluestevon]

No he isn't. It matters not who we sign, he wants out. If Everton had agreed to the release fee, his feelings on our ambition and transfer windows would never have seen the light of day.

He wants out and now Everton haven't played ball he's shifted the blame.

You're his market, he wants fans to believe him, ironically he has a point, but how we're we supposed to improve the squad in Feb, when he was 99% to sign.

It's nonsense.

He's brilliant and has been brilliant for us, but don't be conned, he wants out regardless.

The key to fooling people is to tell them stuff they already believe and want to hear, the key to a good lie is to say one with a element of truth as part of the lie.

Lukaku wants out, so he's basically lied about the reasons he wants to leave, not saying what he said isn't at least partially or mainly true, but it being the catalyst and driving force for him wanting to leave is utter codswallop.

But IF he does leave, then a huge amount of blues who would have been calling him everything will now accept it and think he's justified.

 

[ianefc]

The key to fooling people is to tell them stuff they already believe and want to hear, the key to a good lie is to say one with a element of truth as part of the lie.

Lukaku wants out, so he's basically lied about the reasons he wants to leave, not saying what he said isn't at least partially or mainly true, but it being the catalyst and driving force for him wanting to leave is utter codswallop.

But IF he does leave, then a huge amount of blues who would have been calling him everything will now accept it and think he's justified.

Exactly.

As I've said, I partly agreed with his interviews content. But it's not why he's leaving.

 

[BigDuncis Blue]

The season is still ongoing, we have 10 games left, and still 30 points left to play for, including 4 of the 6 teams above us, and 6 what we would like to be able to call winnable games. Only time will tell if it has any negative affect on the team. Luckily, Koeman appears to have a better disciplinary grip on the squad than Martinez did, but judging by his reaction, it was not wanted or warranted, which suggests he wasn't happy with the timing of it either. Poorly timed.

Its also a month and a half too late to have any possible effect on transfer dealings, so if that indeed was a play to push the board in matching his ambition with marquee signings to prove we mean business, once again, it was poorly timed.

And finally, like I said, he has said this at a time when even the most sceptical and hard to please of us cannot deny, that we are finally showing more ambition than we have for almost an entire generation, maybe more. Whether that be the removal of Martinez, the appointment of Koeman, the money we have spent, the deals we are making commercially, the long overdue facelift of Goodison, the proposed new ground, the improved media presence, the publicity we are getting both in and away from the game... To come out now, and question our ambition, is at the very least, strangely timed, and I for one think it goes beyond that.

So yeah, I think poorly timed is fair.

Fair do's....Of course we have the shoots of ambition, but at the monent that is all they are, hopefully over the next few months we will get confirmation of the signed contract for the ground and we will get some top class players in....as I say in the greater scheme of things the RL timing thing is irrelevent

 

[Kever10]

I'm not saying the club shouldn't try to be positive, simply that you can't have it both ways. You're effectively saying the club can be self serving and unprofessional by using purported good news to drive sales of merchandise, tickets and sponsorship, but the player has to allow them to do that while biting his tongue. It's a ridiculous notion.

In terms of waiting, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't isn't he. Get to the end of the season and then tell people and fans will say they were tricked into getting a season ticket, or he didn't give the club time to get a decent replacement lined up because he strung them along.

Basically, unless a player gives 10 years service, plays for free, and never has a bad game, many fans will take great delight in crucifying them.

First of all, I didn't "effectively" say the club can be self serving or unprofessional at all, and more to the point, I don't see how announcing good news is either of those things.

Secondly, I was under the impression it was his own agent who announced the deal was close, not Everton.

In terms of being dammed if he does, dammed if he doesn't, at the very least, by waiting, he is giving his team mates and the fans the courtesy of showing his focus is on the games ahead of him and the teams performance as a whole, as opposed to "effectively" saying they are all [Poor language removed], by highlighting the need to replace them, but without naming any names obviously.

Personally, I don't agree with what he said regardless, as I pointed out in my initial post, the timing was secondary, but I'll defend my stance on that by saying it is unprofessional with games left to go.

As for ridiculous notions, see your last paragraph.

 

[Lanolin]

First of all, I didn't "effectively" say the club can be self serving or unprofessional at all, and more to the point, I don't see how announcing good news is either of those things.

Secondly, I was under the impression it was his own agent who announced the deal was close, not Everton.

In terms of being dammed if he does, dammed if he doesn't, at the very least, by waiting, he is giving his team mates and the fans the courtesy of showing his focus is on the games ahead of him and the teams performance as a whole, as opposed to "effectively" saying they are all [Poor language removed], by highlighting the need to replace them, but without naming any names obviously.

Personally, I don't agree with what he said regardless, as I pointed out in my initial post, the timing was secondary, but I'll defend my stance on that by saying it is unprofessional with games left to go.

As for ridiculous notions, see your last paragraph.

I'm exaggerating of course, but there's a genuine point there.

Fans say they want effort and commitment but then call the likes of Hibbert, osman, Neville and cleverley fit to burn when they offer it in spades because they're not talented enough. So then we turn to talented players like lukaku, mirallas and Deulofeu and we criticise them for not working hard enough and being selfish. In short, you need to be outrageously talented and work like a Trojan or you'll get pelters. Then you've got people saying jags, Barry, Howard etc should do the decent thing and retire/rip their contract up because they've stayed too long and players like lukaku, stones etc should be publicly flogged because they haven't stayed long enough. We don't ask much.

 

[mkrudden]

We look almost certain to come 7th, I don't see how the timing is a problem at all. Our season was derailed in about October.

I said in another thread, the timing is just because it's now that he's made his decision. Unfortunately you can't only have good news coming out during the season, the club was happily trumpeting the idea he was going to sign and people lapped it up, you can't suddenly decide news shouldn't come out just because it's not what you want to hear.

I think there have been errors on both sides.

As you say, us giving it the big one about "keeping our best players" in statements, Jim and Co giving probably sanctioned exclusives... it's all very amateur on our part.

But that doesn't mean that Lukaku's conduct is any better.

The fact he seemingly wants to leave is justified. He's too good for 7th. However, interviews like this are distracting. It means Koeman has to answer questions but also no doubt the squad will be wondering whether we can expect RL to down tools as he admitted he did last season.

It's all very unnecessary, from both parties and we should be critical of both.

 

[Lanolin]

I think there have been errors on both sides.

As you say, us giving it the big one about "keeping our best players" in statements, Jim and Co giving probably sanctioned exclusives... it's all very amateur on our part.

But that doesn't mean that Lukaku's conduct is any better.

The fact he seemingly wants to leave is justified. He's too good for 7th. However, interviews like this are distracting. It means Koeman has to answer questions but also no doubt the squad will be wondering whether we can expect RL to down tools as he admitted he did last season.

It's all very unnecessary, from both parties and we should be critical of both.

Exactly, I totally agree.

I'm aware I've probably come across very pro-lukaku, but I'm just trying to say I don't think he's stitched the club up as some are suggesting. The whole thing was played out in front of the media, so we can't claim the moral high ground when the finale goes that way too.