Man City fan lets rip...

[Brisan123]

Hi looses all credibility when he says they are not state run and instead owned by an "individal" - it is that very brainwashing that gets them into this mess.

my two cents for what its worth....

I should say from the outset, i've always had a soft spot for Man City, I was bright to Maine Road as a kid and was delighted to see them get back into top flight football, but I was not a fan to the take over and the transition the club went through as a result. They lost a lot of their fans, who rightly questioned the deal and with that the soul of the club was damaged although clear not eradicated, which is great for the club and new owners.

Their achievements since have been incredible, they have invested strategically and have 5 leagues to show for it, but it doesnt change the fact that they have achieved this through financial doping, they have accepted their guilt and paid the fines (twice now), they did their deal with the devil (which is fine) but the consequence of it is the asterix beside any if their achievements.

Their reality is the media, the public in general and the football fraternity, will never give them the credit they deserve, but that's the trade off they have for the way they have gained their success, they are a showpony for an arab state & they are treated that way, their wins will be forgotten by history, we dont see Premier league years when they win leagues and their biggest moment "Aguerooooo" is remembered as much for costing United is a league as it is City's win.

Where for me this gets interesting is the players, they also dont get recognition outside the club, that again some of them deserve, David silva should be talked about like Scholes, Lampard etc, he is not. De Bruyne doesnt get the credit her deserves, again this is the trade off for representing an Arab state.

I mentioned in another thread recently the "emthyhad" jibes as the epitome of the challange that city have, the owners are desperate to portray an institution like Barca or United, but the reality is they have resorted to falsifying their gate numbers (Source - GMP reports) to give themselves some credibility, it's a desperate move from an ownership, who offer "influencers" free admission in exchange for instagram posts.

Ultimately, your man is right, there is apathy towards them, the media aren't bothered, because they cant get ratings when they are on, the papers wont do an 8 page pull out because it wont sell and history will forget their achievements or at a minimum belittle them, but that is the price of dancing with the devil the have. I wouldnt want to see us go the same route, even if it it meant 5 titles in 10 years.

As if the past and present owners of the Scum and Unted are whiter than white
The scum owners are buddies with Trump and Manure owners basically made United buy themselves for the Glazers

 

[PaulPowersTash]

I am astonished you have such a triffic team having paid so little for it.

No point being the richest club in the world, owned by a state, funded by dirty oil money without any fans if you don't make the most of it.

 

[Brisan123]

Fair post mate but a couple of questions if I may.

Firstly what is "financial doping" and can you explain how it differs from "spending money"?

Also what are these awful consequences of them spending money in football, to football? And how do these differ from say Chelsea, Manchester United, Liverpool, Blackburn, Everton, Arsenal etc who all had spells spending such money?

As a point of order, once their alleged offences were tried in an impartial court, they were cleared of all wrongdoing. But either which way, I'd be interested in your thoughts in the above 2. I'm open to persuasion, but never heard massively compelling evidence.

Because there is none

 

[roydo]

No point being the richest club in the world, owned by a state, funded by dirty oil money without any fans if you don't make the most of it.

I just dont get why you are arsed.

Football has always been a dirty business, its just mainly foreign billionaires instead of the local self made business man now. Real Madrid has been effectively financed by the Spanish authorities for decades.

 

[Pabbers]

City won the domestic treble, 1st time its ever happened in history, I cant get over how little its spoke about.

What an unbelievable achievement, imagine had one of the red teams done this!!!!

 

[Brisan123]

Why do most of your comments echo what fans of a certain other club would say? It is intriguing.

I have often wondered exactly the same over the last few months
I am convinced in my own private thinking

 

[number4.]

No point being the richest club in the world, owned by a state, funded by dirty oil money without any fans if you don't make the most of it.

Spot on PPT - I agree with that, but the original article at the top of this thread suggests City are not owned by a state - that's the point of my arguement. Accept what it is, spend the cash and enjoy it

 

[Brisan123]

I suppose the issue for some people is the "sports washing" that Man City and PSG represent. Rich people with dubious sources of wealth owning football clubs is nothing new, twas ever thus. However, entire countries owning football clubs, who have dubious human rights records is a different matter entirely to some people. I'm not saying this is why people whinge about City buying the league, it isn't, it's jealousy the same as when Man Utd or Blackburn Rovers did it. Man Utd used to buy everyone else's best player before the television money evened things up a bit. But for me, being owned by a questionable Middle East dictatorship does sour things a bit, although I do love watching Man City play.

Every Billionaire has dubious sources of wealth
They do not become Billionaires without it

 

[catcherintherye]

I just dont get why you are arsed.

Football has always been a dirty business, its just mainly foreign billionaires instead of the local self made business man now. Real Madrid has been effectively financed by the Spanish authorities for decades.

Playing devils advocate here, but he might be bothered because City are single out as an abheration, when clearly they are not, they are part of a continuum.

I remember when Chelsea first got bought out and people complained about them trying to buy the league. Someone said everyone is trying to buy the league, it's just that Chelsea have more money.

 

[Pabbers]

This whole city have no fans thing is strange too.....I hear united and RS fans say it all the time....while they themselves have not been to watch their own team EVER!!

Those that know, will know how good CItys support is, ist when you are at your worst, should the support be measured & judged.

 

[PaulPowersTash]

I just dont get why you are arsed.

Football has always been a dirty business, its just mainly foreign billionaires instead of the local self made business man now. Real Madrid has been effectively financed by the Spanish authorities for decades.

Hopefully for Everton's sake in the near future you will know and understand why we are arsed.
If Everton win the title 4 times in 8 years and the media choose to ignore it and bang on about Liverpool's fantastic achievement in coming second. If you hit a previously unattainable figure of 100 points for a season and they still bang on about Liverpool finishing second. If you are playing some of the best football the league has ever seen and all that get mentioned is the hoof ball tactics of one of your biggest rivals. If Carlo Ancelotti wins the FA cup as the final trophy in an unprecedented domestic treble for Everton and the first question he gets asked after the game from a BBC reporter is 'are you taking a bung from Moshri?' I guess you might raise an eyebrow on the motive of that question? If crap like that went on day in, day out, week in, week out about your club you might be just a tad peeved? As I have posted many times on here, if Carlo starts winning trophies you guys are going to get exactly the same treatment. The Liverpool infested media will make sure of it. All you ask is for credit to be given where it is due. That's it. Nothing more and nothing less. Just report what happens on the pitch in a fair, reasoned, objective and unbiased way.
That's it really.

 

[number4.]

This whole city have no fans thing is strange too.....I hear united and RS fans say it all the time....while they themselves have not been to watch their own team EVER!!

Those that know, will know how good CItys support is, ist when you are at your worst, should the support be measured & judged.

I think the argument is a lot of that traditional Fanbase is gone Pabbers, which is real shame. I was working next to ground a couple of years ago and went along to a mid week PL match as I was at a loose end.

PL (laportes debut) if there was 25000 there thats all.

 

[roydo]

Playing devils advocate here, but he might be bothered because City are single out as an abheration, when clearly they are not, they are part of a continuum.

I remember when Chelsea first got bought out and people complained about them trying to buy the league. Someone said everyone is trying to buy the league, it's just that Chelsea have more money.

Its the crying about it that I dont get.

Everyone knows how Sky et al get money. Everybody knows that some football clubs are more attractive, click and ad wise, to the broadcasters and wider media.

So what? If my club built an incredible team and won tons, I would laugh at the gullible fools and donkey led media for printing and broadcasting pulp fiction for their click bait. And carry on winning stuff.

The OP article is a laughable "please affirm my existence" piece of cry arsing.

 

[catcherintherye]

Fair question- for me the morals of the rule & the motives of FFP are very questionable, but so is the handball rule, but if you sign up to league / cup competition you agree to live with them.

In city’s case, I would say sponsorship deals from state owned airlines, mobile companies, which are way above market value and happen to be from the same state that owns the club would fit the bill, especially given the club accepted they were guilty and ironically paid the fines as punishment

I asked the same and a couple of additional questions, but looks like you've tackled it here, so lets deal with the financial doping aspect.

Firstly, what evidence have you got, other than your opinion that their sponsorships are "way above" market value? And even if they are above market value, why is this "doping" but not good negotation?

I mean, given Manchester City have been the most successful team, in the most successful league in the world over the past decade, would you say their sponsorships broadly reflect that positioning, or are "way above "market" value?

Or is this extended to a club who at the time of the deal had won 0 leagues in 31 years, acquiring a sponsorship of up to £100m p/a a far clearer sign of receiving higher than what the market value ought to be (perhaps because of undue influence from big stars such as Le Bron Jmes working with said sponsor and also the owner of said club)?

Finally, why is the word "doping" which is essentially cheating by placing illegal products into your body to gain advantage over opponents invoked? I mean, even if everything above was wholly true (which is a long way from beijgn substantiated) why is raising money seen as the same as injecting illegal products to make yourself better?

Again, as I said in the previous post, I am open to persuasion on this, but I really need to see some firm evidence.

 

[catcherintherye]

Every Billionaire has dubious sources of wealth
They do not become Billionaires without it

What do they think Standard Chartered are doing, who have been found of major infractions in the banking sector? Or what do they think Nike are doing, who by all accounts have used labour paid well below the poverty line (and potentially even child labour) to make their garments? What do people honestly think sponsorship is, if not wealthy people who do all sorts of bad things trying to get people to like them to then buy their stuff.

We are no better, with USM. I just can't stand this very English form of exceptionalism though, that says our companies, and American companies are fine, but those nasty brown from the middle east are evil and they are the only ones at it. Everyone's at it, there's no moral high ground here. Either clean up the entire sport, and have fan ownership, strict control (like with rugby and in American sports) or have a free market. You can't have 1 rule for one another set of expectations for another though.

I'm with the nicest will in the world, I'm not having English people, particularly English people who support a team founded by a leading Tory business, from a city made wealthy both directly and indirectly from the slave trade casting moral judgements on other people. We have no right do to do, that Liverpool supporters certainy don't. I appreciate that will probably be controversial, but if we want to have a frank discussion, warts and all thats the truth of it.

I know I'm ranting here, but I remember Martin Mcguiness saying, when constantly pestered by the BBC to come clean about Sinn Fein/IRA's behaviour. He said he would, on the single condition the British state did the same regarding Loyalism gangs and the state supported death squads. As soon as that was said, it all went quiet. They basically want to stand in judgement over him, without having any reflection on what they did.

It's the same thing here. People who are not willing to look at their own crimes, standing in moral judgement of others, and throwing bizarre statements like "financial doping" about- do me a favour.