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it's simple, We needed presence in the midfield whilst Huddlestone is overweight and not looking remotely interested in getting in athletic shape. Fellaini is the better option he's tall and he'll get the boot in when he's settled into the premiership I'm sure of that.
 
ToxtethBlue said:
The role Fellaini is playing at the moment is attacking, if you can't see that then you need to open your eyes. Moyes said this week that he's more of a Cahill than a Carsley, he's been bought as a box to box, attacking player.

Cahill plays as a second striker, Pienaar and Arteta play on the wings. None of them play the attacking central role for us. All the best sides have creativity in every midfield area. On the wings and in the middle, it's a must if you want to control games.

As an attacking creative midfielder Huddlestone would've been the best option, he's more creative and attacking minded. If Fellaini had been bought to protect the back four I'd rather have had him, it's quite clear he hasn't been.
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Read between the line hey mate. I think moyes was just trying to state that he's not a defencive midfielder. Not that he'll play behind the forward. Iv seen him play with my own eyes about 5 times now. An Fellaini is always the guy who takes the ball of the defence an starts to play it forward. if you can't see that you should go the game!

The lad is not an attacking mid, he never will be. More box-to-box, or a proper CM.
 
Sharpys top lip said:
Read between the line hey mate. I think moyes was just trying to state that he's not a defencive midfielder. Not that he'll play behind the forward. Iv seen him play with my own eyes about 5 times now. An Fellaini is always the guy who takes the ball of the defence an starts to play it forward. if you can't see that you should go the game!

The lad is not an attacking mid, he never will be. More box-to-box, or a proper CM.
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Playing behind the striker? Just because he's playing a more attacking role does not mean he has to play behind the striker. He's playing in the middle of a 4-4-2 or a 4-5-1, he has been told to play the more attacking minded midfielder of the two.

You don't see the likes of Fabregas, Gerrard or Scholes playing behind the striker. That doesn't mean there role in the team is to create and get forward.

Ofcourse he starts the odd attack here and there, every midfielder should do that, it's a must. Osman does it and Castillo did it more than both. Fernandes was always doing it.

He's a centre midfielder, he's being played as an attacking central midfielder by Moyes. Even against Newcastle Osman was winning more tackles and playing slightly deeper.
 

bollocks you did the point still stands that Fellaini drops deep to collect the ball of the defence. Cahill doesn't do that he's a the complete center midfielder. He's the only one out of the entire midfield that makes himself open to recieve the ball from the back. That is not the trait of an attacking midfielder to me that's the trait of a box to box midfielder... al la Roy Keane as Neiler put it.
 
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bollocks you did the point still stands that Fellaini drops deep to collect the ball of the defence. Cahill doesn't do that he's a the complete center midfielder. He's the only one out of the entire midfield that makes himself open to recieve the ball from the back. That is not the trait of an attacking midfielder to me that's the trait of a box to box midfielder... al la Roy Keane as Neiler put it.
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Theirs no point zero,he has blinkers on. Thats why i gave up!

He's wrong end ov, he just can't admit it.

TB lose's....:lol:
 
zero said:
bollocks you did the point still stands that Fellaini drops deep to collect the ball of the defence. Cahill doesn't do that he's a the complete center midfielder. He's the only one out of the entire midfield that makes himself open to recieve the ball from the back. That is not the trait of an attacking midfielder to me that's the trait of a box to box midfielder... al la Roy Keane as Neiler put it.
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The majority of midfielders drop deep and collect the ball from the back four. Carrick, Diarra, Scholes, Deco, Essien, Gerrard, Alonso, Fabregas etc. It doesn't matter what type of midfielder you are, every midfielder should do it.

He isn't the only one. Castillo does it far more, Osman also does it. If Pienaar or Arteta played in the middle they'd do it.

I don't see the Roy Keane comparison at all to be honest and Keane was more defensive than he was box to box. His strengths where in his tackling, energy and agression. Keane played as the more defensive midfielder in a 4-4-2 alongside Scholes, Fellaini for us has played the more attacking role.
 
You've compared him to Ballack, I don't think I've ever seen Ballack sit as deep as Fellaini likes to sit and he hardly ever demands the ball from the defense. Right now it's hard to judge where Fellaini will be played but from what I've seen he's naturally a box to box midfielder that likes to get forward.
 

zero said:
You've compared him to Ballack, I don't think I've ever seen Ballack sit as deep as Fellaini likes to sit and he hardly ever demands the ball from the defense. Right now it's hard to judge where Fellaini will be played but from what I've seen he's naturally a box to box midfielder that likes to get forward.
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Because Ballack plays a different role in a different formation. Ballack when he actually plays for Chelsea plays as the most attacking midfielder with two midfielders behind him. He's naturally further up the field supporting his attacker.

If he was playing in a 4-4-2 he would drop deep occasionly and take the ball off the back four like Fellaini does. I've seen him do it for Germany.
 
Even in a 4-4-2 for Germany Ballack is pushed alot further up the field with Frings sitting deeper. He hardly ever goes deep to collect the ball like Fellaini does because he expects Frings to do it.
 
zero said:
Even in a 4-4-2 for Germany Ballack is pushed alot further up the field with Frings sitting deeper. He hardly ever goes deep to collect the ball like Fellaini does because he expects Frings to do it.
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I disagree, I've seen him do it quite a few times.

I don't even think Fellaini does it that much, he and Osman do it occasionly but there not continually doing it throughout the game.

Castillo and Fernandes continually do it and they actually get hold of it and make the pass. Osman and Fellaini tend to drop deep, pass it outwide and then turn there back on the ball.

My comparison with Ballack was more do with how they play. They are both big and good in the air, they are both tidy in possession and they both have the ability to score goals.

For me Fellaini would be best in a 4-3-3 alongside a defensive midfielder and a creative midfielder. In that position he could give you a bit of both, defensively and attacking wise.

I think Moyes might play him in a more advanced role against Arsenal in a 4-5-1, it'll be interesting to see.
 
ToxtethBlue said:
The majority of midfielders drop deep and collect the ball from the back four. Carrick, Diarra, Scholes, Deco, Essien, Gerrard, Alonso, Fabregas etc. It doesn't matter what type of midfielder you are, every midfielder should do it.

He isn't the only one. Castillo does it far more, Osman also does it. If Pienaar or Arteta played in the middle they'd do it.

I don't see the Roy Keane comparison at all to be honest and Keane was more defensive than he was box to box. His strengths where in his tackling, energy and agression. Keane played as the more defensive midfielder in a 4-4-2 alongside Scholes, Fellaini for us has played the more attacking role.[/quote]

Sorry mate your compleatley wrong on that score! How can you say in the same post that scholes comes and collects the ball form the defence but keane was a def midfileder worng he was box to box, i suppose viera was a dm too. I think your finding it hard to get out of the mindset of AM and DM midlieders dont have t obe one or the other, to many years watching 4-5-1 maybe. You mention some of Keanes attributes correctly, but there was far more to his game then that everything be it attacking or defending began with keane he controlled both. Trunst me i saw him play more then most!
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