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2019/20 Marcel Brands

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davek said:
...and while playing football with a first team remains the most important function of a football club that makes the manager THE most important man in the place.

The hero worship of a suit is ridiculous. We'll be hearing that Fred the Doorman runs the club next.

Still, I can see why you'd think the DoF is as important if not more important here at Everton now, because we've seen the self promotion of Brands since he arrived here.
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I’ve not been on the forum long but I’m guessing this chap doesn’t ever have one good word to say about anything Everton F.C. related...brands turn now for giving an interview
 
canuckblue said:
Once bitten, twice shy. I can appreciate that.
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I hope he’s brilliant, don’t get me wrong, it’s way to early to be making a judgement on him. I don’t like this interview. But it’s good to question his performence overall generally.

In fact now he has a media profile that will inevitably happen.
 
canuckblue said:
Robert Kraft. Incidentally, there is no GM with the Patriots as Belichick has almost total control of the team's football operations. So that kind of makes your example specious.
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No, it makes it unassailable: manager in this instance of the greatest NFL team of all time has full control.

Thank you for underlining that.
 
catcherintherye said:
The reality is clubs are much bigger commercial entities now than 20 years ago. The inflation in football transfers outstrips regular inflation by about 10 times in the PL. Without looking to patronise people, but that means on average clubs ar enow 10 times the size of what they were a generation ago.

When you see such a drastic transformation of a business sector it's rare it would operate in the same way. One consequence is that the role of recruitment (where most of the money is spent) is now a specialist role. There is far too much scope for a conflict of interests with a coach and a player to allow them complete control over the process. Allardyce would likely have bombed Lookman had he been given the chance, and possibly cost the club 5/6 million pounds at the lower end and maybe £15 million at the upper end. This is a huge sum of money.

I am not particularly happy to the extent it's gone at many clubs. You see Watford and clubs like that who have seemingly given up on ever having a lot term manager. I think thats too far the other way. Their CEO Duxbury when he talks makes my teeth itch with his arrogance on how he treats managers. The aim should always be for clubs to look to have long term coaches as well as long term DOF figures and not use the DOF as a short cut to allow for a high turnover of coaches.

It works best (for me) at clubs where people get themselves on the same page. It requires a degree of maturity (that I think Koeman lacked a bit). If you look at how Klopp operates at Liverpool he has got the balance right, he has first and final say but he's very willing to work with as opposed to against the people above him and they respect his opinion highly. It's early stages yet but it looks like Silva and Brands seem to be working well together and he has factored in Silva's knowledge of players and his role in working with them into his calculations which is a good thing.
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It's really no different than the corporate landscape. Organizations function best when key people are at the same time highly valued and easily replaced, and that includes football clubs. Either end of the spectrum (difficult to replace; not highly valued) represents problems/limitations of the "club culture," and unless you've got a Ferguson/Jobs, you really can't letting one person have so much power (although if you do have one, the risks are worth the effort.)
 
davek said:
...and while playing football with a first team remains the most important function of a football club that makes the manager THE most important man in the place.

The hero worship of a suit is ridiculous. We'll be hearing that Fred the Doorman runs the club next.

Still, I can see why you'd think the DoF is as important if not more important here at Everton now, because we've seen the self promotion of Brands since he arrived here.
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And seemingly Silva has no problem with this because I think all managers ( with one or two exception ) given the choice would avoid media duties unless it suited their agenda at a particular point in time.
The days of Ferguson Wenger and to a lesser extent Moyes are fast becoming a thing of the past
 

davek said:
Sorry, I dont know why there's a fuss of myself and another poster who believe that - though he's done an apparently decent job so far - Brands needs now to step away from the limelight and allow the manager of this club to stamp HIS identity on the club.
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Fuss? What fuss?

Was just explaining how you and your argument is actually just a clever movie plot device. Maybe you havent seen the film?
 
Neiler said:
I have to agree. I’m more excited by Silva and his development then Brands. It does seem a bit cultish. I’ve no arguement with anything he has done so far with recruitment or turnover in the first team. Don’t get me wrong it would be fool hearty at this point to say he’s been brilliant. We’ve got a 2.2 draw at Wolves thus far. The players mightened work out etc. it seems we’ve learned zero from being in the exact same spot last year with the same hopes and expectations. It’s a wait and see.

I agree, I question why he is front of the shop here. Why does he have to have a media profile? Doesn’t make sense to me, but maybe I’m tradititional. Either way I didn’t like his I’m the hero approach and name dropping Utd and Barca in I would assume are ethical negotiations, that won’t be appreciated by either club and I would assume be taken note of by the wider footballing community.

One thing I did notice in the windo was 0 recruitment at underage, which is a departure for us.
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Yes, it was info that he need not have shared with us regarding the architecture of the deals cut and the diplomacy behind it.

It sounded more like a corporate seminar than a football man trying to clarify in broad brush strokes to fans what the plan is for us...which is all his interview should have been about if he had to give one at all.
 
davek said:
No, it makes it unassailable: manager in this instance of the greatest NFL team of all time has full control.

Thank you for underlining that.
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But it's the rare exception to the rule in North American sports and it will no longer exist at that team once Belichick is gone. And I see football going the same way as North American sports. Resist it all you like, but I suspect that resistance will be futile.
 
davek said:
Most successful English clubs are run on the playing side by the methods devised by one man. Wenger and Ferguson were in complete control of their organisations on the playing side.

You cant run a successful club with a manager in the dugout looking like he's rolling out another man's plan. Not possible. Players sense it and will show no mercy for weakling managers. They respect only strong men.

This is why I hope that'll be the last we hear of Brands for a long time.

He's done his "victory" roll today. Now he needs to STFU again and back off into his office preparing more departures and planning for January. That's his job. That alone.
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Most successful dinosaurs are believed to have died around 66 million years or so ago
 

News just in: man with over 80,000* posts on a football forum feels public figure needs to reign in his communications after giving one interview

* @davek probably has more by now, but he only won a prize for his 75,000th post. Here's to 100,000, or a complete re-evaluation of his priorities, whichever comes first.
 
canuckblue said:
But it's the rare exception to the rule in North American sports and it will no longer exist at that team once Belichick is gone. And I see football going the same way as North American sports. Resist it all you like, but I suspect that resistance will be futile.
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Sports organisations are businesses like no other businesses...as much as owners would like that not to be the case. Never ever will a suit be seen as THE central character of a major sports club. No owner, no CEO, no DoF.
 

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