2019/20 Marcel Brands

[rochdaleblue]

@davek is right. The focal point/public face of the most important component of a football club, the first team, is the manager. Or coach. Delete at will.

But that doesnt mean that other bodies in the organisation are not vital. Be they a DOF, the club secretary, and obvs, the owner(s).

The manager will take the stick or plaudits depending on the results, in the same way a DOF will take the stick or plaudits depending on the quality of players bought and sold.

Cant really see the issue myself. Perhaps the clue is in the name. We are a football CLUB.

The manager is the most important figurehead at the club, that there is no doubt. But as much as the loss of Ferguson hurt Man Utd, the loss of David Gill was equally damaging to the club. They ran a very smooth operation whilst at the club. Woodward isn’t in the same league as Gill was. I suspect that if Gill has remained in charge, United would have enjoyed more success, but more importantly there would have been a smoother transition to the incoming managers.

 

[roydo]

1) Ferguson and Wenger were a different era
2) We are in the DOF era and you won't likely see another Ferguson type
3) Dayvek is wrong again

Yep. Agree with that.

 

[Lelouch]

Brands is trying to build us into a force not just the current team, The whole way the club is ran and for him to be doing interviews I enjoy it gives us inside knowledge that we could only guess on and keeps us updating us with what's happening.

 

[rochdaleblue]

I’m sure Brands is experienced enough dealing with other clubs to know what he and cannot say about them so as not to cause offence
He only bought one underage player ie Virginia who is a highly rated young goalkeeper
However as he said himself there was a lot of work to be done on the first team squad which left him with no time to deal with the underage set up
He has said though that from Sept 1st the academy will have his full attention
He can’t be expected to fix the club from top to bottom in one window
I’m sure Silva will be back in Jan and then next May with a list of squad options he’d like to have

Or alternatively state to Brands the positions that need strengthening and ie centre midfield and striker and Brands will use his extensive knowledge to draw up a shortlist of candidates to fill those roles and for him and Silva to agree the players they want.

 

[Toffe3m4n]

Can't not like the guy. He's literally not given us a single reason to.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Yep. Agree with that.

Oh, and I believe Ferguson is the reason you won't see another Ferguson, a la Jerry Seinfeld

 

[Titus Bramble]

Not arsed who’s the most important person, just win us a cup and none of you will be either

 

[Brisan123]

I remember the days of the manager supreme buying shoite such as Kone, Alcaraz, McGeady, Cleverley, Robles etc with such fondness.....sovereign stuff and we should all be grateful....

But cleverly was the best British footballer of his generation

 

[catcherintherye]

And seemingly Silva has no problem with this because I think all managers ( with one or two exception ) given the choice would avoid media duties unless it suited their agenda at a particular point in time.
The days of Ferguson Wenger and to a lesser extent Moyes are fast becoming a thing of the past

His expertise is on coaching,he can focus on that. The old role of manager has been split.

 

[DanB90]

Honestly couldn’t give a toss who does what and who is higher ranked as long as it works.

We could have the fella who cleans the bogs giving the team talk on a match day if it made us successful.

 

[Neiler]

I’m sure Brands is experienced enough dealing with other clubs to know what he and cannot say about them so as not to cause offence
He only bought one underage player ie Virginia who is a highly rated young goalkeeper
However as he said himself there was a lot of work to be done on the first team squad which left him with no time to deal with the underage set up
He has said though that from Sept 1st the academy will have his full attention
He can’t be expected to fix the club from top to bottom in one window
I’m sure Silva will be back in Jan and then next May with a list of squad options he’d like to have

It’s all debatable in my opinion mate, he’s gone from the Dutch league to one of the biggest leagues in the world, I’m sure he will develop and gain more expierence dealing with higher profile clubs. I’m not saying your not correct, I’m saying it’s far to early to make a generalized judgement and far to early for a victory by him, club or fans.

I’m happy to give him time and I agree he needs it, all we are doing is commenting, reflecting and analyzing opinion as the crow flies.

I like what he did in the window on paper with a few exceptions. I don’t like this interview. I’m critiquing as opposed to making a wide sweeping judgement of being boss or gash at this point.

 

[Brisan123]

I agree I presume there are ethics in the football world in regard to negotiations and confidentiality as there is in every business in the world. In any walk of life you don’t want anyone you have done a deal with release those aspects in the public domain let alone on visual media/print media and name dropping you saying how they got a great deal by sticking to their stance and you crumbling. The wider football world will take note.

I find this whole cult odd, you would think we were in the business of success by attracting players and making signings loads as opposed to developing players, a team with a stylish philosphey and winning trophies.

Brands has a very small part to play if at all in developing this team, getting results and winning trophies on the pitch that’s the measure of our success. On that score he shouldn’t be on TV doing a victory parade. If we ever are that successful it will be down to the manager.

I don’t mind Brands, I don’t like this interview, but he’s done what he has been asked to do in the market and a judgment will be made on results on his recruitment, he should be peripheral now and go quietly about sorting structures particularly youth scouting, far to early for his victory parade or even to say he’s been good in his admin role.

If Brands is ultimately responsible for first team recruitment ( including the coach ) and for the academy , I don’t think you can call that a small part
Silva will only be as good as the players he has to coach
If Brands signings turn out to be poor then Brands will rightfully get the blame and more than likely face the consequences

 

[TheBigIguana]

I'm not really sure what Davek is even on about here but finding someone who can both manage the team and recruit the players is unbelievably tough in any sport. Football clubs have only recently realized that and turned to the director of football model but it probably is the future.

It would have taken Everton decades to find someone who could do well enough at both tasks to take us back to the top. We are better off with this model

 

[Zatara]

You sound surprised. He plants a flag, and that is that.

Kind of, although hes been correct so many times when others were taking obsessively opposite viewa against him...and on occasion hes admittes he was wrong.

What, to request that we all see the actual manager of Everton in a traditional light: THE most important person at the club?

How is that being silly?

Totally incorrect in a non-traditional sense.

Look at Monchi and Emery at Seville...Emery won europa leage 3 times...however Monchi was more important.

Traditional is now moot...traditional would mean the manager personally scouting players...how can he do that thesedays? Traditional would mean negotiating the (now complex) world of agents...with all the regulations...

Traditional does not exist at this level.

He's had no impact. He's done what he's supposed to do in the summer - now we wait and see if it has impact. If the players do well, he;s had impact; if they aren't all that = less than no impact.

The manager is top dog at any club. The industry might change but that is an unalterable truth.

Of course hes had an impact. You can judge his impact in numerous ways...

Who's more important at the New England Patriots: Bill Belichik or the Patriots' GM?

Too much spare time Dave...

@davek is right. The focal point/public face of the most important component of a football club, the first team, is the manager. Or coach. Delete at will.

But that doesnt mean that other bodies in the organisation are not vital. Be they a DOF, the club secretary, and obvs, the owner(s).

The manager will take the stick or plaudits depending on the results, in the same way a DOF will take the stick or plaudits depending on the quality of players bought and sold.

Cant really see the issue myself. Perhaps the clue is in the name. We are a football CLUB.

Disagree again...and again look at Monchi.

To outsiders everyone believed Emery was the superstar...and the managers either side of him...the fans, the club and the people working in football all knew it was Monchi.

DOFs can have a very strong public profile, depending on their remit they are the ones who hire and fire the staff...

Ive absolutely no issue at all with Brands having a strong global media profile...players will want to not only play for Silva but be attracted to working with Brands as a strategist.

Getting a call off Brands and then a personal call from Silva is actually ideal...and whats been happening.

 

[Brisan123]

Or alternatively state to Brands the positions that need strengthening and ie centre midfield and striker and Brands will use his extensive knowledge to draw up a shortlist of candidates to fill those roles and for him and Silva to agree the players they want.

Agree
But you stated it much clearer than I did.
I’ve always said a coach will tell the DOF he needs a player for certain positions and may even make suggestions but the DOF will present the coach with a list of players and between them they will decide who to go for , but the final decision is down to the DOF as that’s his area of expertise
Even Ferguson and Wenger made some horrendous mistakes in the transfer market
Prunier and that Italian goalkeeper immediately spring to mind , plus the young Portuguese lad who vanished soon after