But he'd have got blasted for taking the other approach as well.
I agree with you, but just saying, we can't have our cake and eat it.
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But he'd have got blasted for taking the other approach as well.
I agree with you, but just saying, we can't have our cake and eat it.
EverBlue92
Player Valuation: £8m
But Mourinho won 2 trophies and got a 2nd place finish in 3 seasons
Klopp has taken the Kopites to a Champions league final and are currently 4 points clear at the top of the table
Conte won the title and a cup at Chelsea
My point is yes even the top managers come and go and can have a bad season but more often than not give them 3-4 seasons and they'll atleast build a good side and/or win you a trophy.
Silva has a poor record in England with 3 clubs now yet people are happy to give him another 12-18 months after already spending £90 million yet sat in 11th with 1 win against sides in the top 10 (not six but 10) and that being 10 man Leicester with them missing an absolute sitter towards the end.
He's gash mate and I would bet my bottom dollar in him dragging us down to Martinez levels of mediocrity.
Baffling how Moshiri went gung ho for him based on 8 games - the blokes a clueless buffoon who needs to steer well clear of on the field decision making and leave it to brands.
Oh yeah agree that if he' would have set up like Allardyce the I would have been raging.
I mean more the fact that we seemed way more open than we did at Arsenal/City etc. I think Silva was caught out by Pochettinos tactics as notes on Sky yesterday as they seemed to play a diamond formation and we couldnt cope. Maybe as we were at home there is more expectation to attack more or Gueye being out gave our defence absolutely no protection but we were more open than we have been for a while and Spurs are one of the best if you give them space.
deipnosophist
Player Valuation: £80m
He’ll have a job getting our lion-hearted lads up for Burnley...
But Conte and Klopp managed Dortmund and Juve so they are bound to have better records. Klopp relegated Mainz, Conte resigned at Bari after being threatened by their fans.
Yes Mourinho won stuff at Utd but even then a lot of the fans were not happy with the style, his attitude etc.
Its about finding the right fit and nothing is guaranteed. If Silva goes, who do we look to then? What happens if our new manager has some poor results in his first 6 months?
Awful tactically yesterday, an utter disorganized shambles. It's how he and the team respond for me. Any manager and team can have a shocker, but if he can't get a strong response and start picking up points then we'll all know if hes the man for the job.
mkrudden
Player Valuation: £40m
Fabulous post.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
We should have been two nil up yesterday and that would have been enough to set us up for at least a draw. The plan would have been seen as a success after that. But we all know what happened after numb nuts strikes again. We're on the back foot and he hands another couple to them and the floodgates open.
Silva is fine. He's done well in 5 months and has us playing again. Spurs are class and exploited our calamities.
Against Liverpool and Chelsea we were calm and composed and intelligent.
I judge Silva on those performances as much as on a battering like this.
He has a lot of time to get this spot on. He needs patience to get his players in and playing the way he wants.
Silva is fine. He's done well in 5 months and has us playing again. Spurs are class and exploited our calamities.
Against Liverpool and Chelsea we were calm and composed and intelligent.
I judge Silva on those performances as much as on a battering like this.
He has a lot of time to get this spot on. He needs patience to get his players in and playing the way he wants.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Spot on mate.
I think it's fair to say Silva got it wrong yesterday. You can't lose 6-2 and get it right. I will add that the personnel just didn't fit either. Davies was useless in midfield. We missed Gana hugely.
Pickford/Zouma's mistake, Gomes' mistake for the second, Coleman for the third and fourth... and tactically we were too open.
Like I've said previously, my worry is getting back to getting the basics done.
toffee-L
Player Valuation: £20m
It was a tactical horror show yesterday, no doubt at all. The full backs played too high, allowing Son huge spaces on the flanks to receive the ball and start running at our centre backs. Gomes and Davies didn't have a clue who they were supposed to be tracking, or which spaces they had to close off. There was no were near enough work from our wide players either in helping back. Total suicide football.
Talk of sacking him however is completely premature. We aren't touching the top 6 this season (look at the gulf in quality yesterday) and even if we finish 7th, we're going to have a period of poor form. The horror show at Anfield has had a huge impact on us and several players in the team, Pickford most of all. There have been very positive signs in some games this season, we were excellent at the Emirates and Anfield, pretty good at Old Trafford and Stamford Bridge and we probably created more clear cut chances at Manchester City than any other side in the league will manage this season. Even yesterday if it wasn't for yet another top 6 status quo referee, we would have gone 2-0 and maybe Spurs wouldn't have recovered from that?
We're a work in progress, we have a good team but it's not a patch on the top 6 sides in the league. Our points return has been disappointing but it's really a consequence of the last 5 games, we were all feeling very positive about this side before this run. Silva needs to do what Martinez was completely incapable of doing and that is being able to turn around poor form. Martinez couldn't reverse poor spells of form of 4-5 games and they would extend in to season killers. If Silva can't do it either he will go the same way, which would be a great shame.
Talk of sacking him however is completely premature. We aren't touching the top 6 this season (look at the gulf in quality yesterday) and even if we finish 7th, we're going to have a period of poor form. The horror show at Anfield has had a huge impact on us and several players in the team, Pickford most of all. There have been very positive signs in some games this season, we were excellent at the Emirates and Anfield, pretty good at Old Trafford and Stamford Bridge and we probably created more clear cut chances at Manchester City than any other side in the league will manage this season. Even yesterday if it wasn't for yet another top 6 status quo referee, we would have gone 2-0 and maybe Spurs wouldn't have recovered from that?
We're a work in progress, we have a good team but it's not a patch on the top 6 sides in the league. Our points return has been disappointing but it's really a consequence of the last 5 games, we were all feeling very positive about this side before this run. Silva needs to do what Martinez was completely incapable of doing and that is being able to turn around poor form. Martinez couldn't reverse poor spells of form of 4-5 games and they would extend in to season killers. If Silva can't do it either he will go the same way, which would be a great shame.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
It's also the opposition faced. They are utterly ruthless on the counter attack Spurs. If you hand them any obvious mistakes they punish you. It was a perfect storm yesterday.
We have an awful lot of growing to do to be able to compete with them toe to toe. But Silva did that because he knows that's how we want our team to play. It's no good having too much of a go at a manager who is trying to build a team in the traditions of the club as a cultured outfit...which is how we all see our club and want us to become again. And that was the remit he was handed. Newsflash: if you want to play that way, then you'll suffer some real toeings along the way until you get the right blend of players to carry it off.
PATIENCE.
totally agree Dave, I'm fully behind Silva, but will acknowledge that he got it wrong yesterday, even though things could have gone differently even with our performance (2nd goal, mistakes etc) that weren't in his control
Everton_Gary
Player Valuation: £15m
Has to get wins from the next set of games here or could be in real trouble. Next 5 (I think) should all be winnable games.
EverBlue92
Player Valuation: £8m
Any manager who has a past track record of success I'll give them as much time as anybody to get it right, however I refuse to support a bloke who in about 18 months combined in English football with 3 clubs has relegated one and got sacked by the other, and now his third club are sat in 11th after spending £90 million in the summer with a side easily good enough to be sat well clear in 7th.
Its baffling the amount of people willing to give this bloke any goodwill.
Its baffling the amount of people willing to give this bloke any goodwill.
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