2018/19 Marco Silva - New Poll Added

[Kinky Koeman]

Our problem isnt money being spent- its a manager incapable of getting the best out of the players he has.

Its really that simple, like how Martinez had Romelu Lukaku, John Stones, Ross Barkley and Gerard Deulofeu yet couldn't get higher than 11th.

David Moyes had a Utd side look like mid table fodder.

Meanwhile Klopp took Brenda's garbage Liverpool side to a cup and Europa League Final.

Managers are worth their weight in gold. Look at how Moyes turned water into wine at us with a barebones budget.

Appreciate the results are good enough preeently, but I’m not worried too much by that right now. We lack quality and consistency in too many areas for me to get carried away thinking we can go on a run of games picking up results.

We’ve looked equally good and bad this season, but I do expect more consistency this second half of the season. My expectations aren’t that great right now.

 

[hktoffee]

They should make a dvd of the famous David moyes one nil wins.
Facts are we won nothing with him in charge. Gloss it up anyway you like..
And since then he's proven his level as a manager.

Sorry but I rather to be the best of the rest in the league than playing tippy tappy and finish in 12th place.

No one won a thing since 1995 that’s the fact and I don’t think being crap in the league justify the need of certain playing style. I just prefer Everton to win matches.

 

[pedro1976]

He's been using recent games like a pre season... we need a right back, someone to play right wing who isn't Theo... vlassic or lookman, play Richarlison on the left, we need a striker... a target man.

 

[CRIMHEAD]

Nope. Nuno got them playing the same way in the championship and just upgraded certain areas or signed loan player on permo deals.

A system was already in place for a season.

This is true. They are much better with the ball - pass and make better decisions. They've also had some fortune that we have not. They aren't a better side overall.

 

[Toffeelover]

No it isn’t the same for both teams. Were they both playing the same style? Do they have the same players being asked to do the same jobs? Were they all carrying exactly the same niggling injuries going into the game?

Nobody is saying it’s the whole story but it certainly is a factor that would affect both teams differently.

Brighton were just after a set-piece goal and luckily got one. We didn’t play to our best but we again created more than enough chances to win the game. I’d be more concerned if this were Silva’s third season and we weren’t creating chances. But it’s not.

Yes they were lucky and our lot were tired, bollocks. As to creating enough chances that does not win games that is also rubbish, goals win games.

 

[evertonarntwe]

Nope. Nuno got them playing the same way in the championship and just upgraded certain areas or signed loan player on permo deals.

A system was already in place for a season.

But literally none of their players have played in this league so they are adjusting more if anything. They'll have also have had to change/tweak then tactics from league to league as you can't play the same way in this league as you did in the league below etc

Not saying they are amazing either btw but as I've said before on paper we should we doing so much better than what we are currently

 

[blue to the bone]

Sorry but I rather to be the best of the rest in the league than playing tippy tappy and finish in 12th place.

No one won a thing since 1995 that’s the fact and I don’t think being crap in the league justify the need of certain playing style. I just prefer Everton to win matches.

Is the season over?
These moyes shouts are ridiculous and boring. He's in our history and that's here he will stay.
And we got some bad beatings when he was is charge.. His win rate with us was just over 42 per cent. And no trophy.

 

[Deleted member 38674]

I’ll be honest, I’m still not sure what to make of Marco just yet. My expectations for the 1st half of 18/19 at the start of the season were to progress in the cup, to retain our position in the league (i.e no severe drop into the bottom half) during this building phase and to show some positive signs (i.e some expansive and free flowing Football and perhaps 1 or 2 unexpected results / performances against the established top 6)

The cup exit was extremely disappointing for obvious reasons and I don’t think he got enough stick for that team selection. We should be higher in the league and our performances are inconsistent. There’s been some good togger, but no stand out results (Chelsea aside) that you would be particularly proud of.

The worrying thing (or one of them) is that people keep saying

“We’re on the right path”
“The changes Marco and Brands are making are the right ones”

How do we know? Was that not the same line we were all towing under Ronko and Walsh when patently they weren’t the right changes. I include the management of the club off the pitch in that too. I’m not saying we are making bad decisions in either respect, but how are we measuring them (other than ongoing results and perceived progress, or lack thereof)? Or are we just on a wing and a prayer again?.

I think the recruitment has been sketchy. Digne, Richarlison and Gomes are winners for what we should be shooting for and where we’d like to get to. Mina, Bernard and Zouma the jury is still out.

Overall, it’s easy to criticise and call for sackings, it’d be just as easy to continue with blind optimism but I think the best thing for everyone is to keep an open mind until the end of the season. Whatever happens we won’t be tearing up any trees. Europe is beyond us (via the league) and we’re too good to go down so lets just see where 2019 takes us.

 

[hktoffee]

Is the season over?
These moyes shouts are ridiculous and boring. He's in our history and that's here he will stay.
And we got some bad beatings when he was is charge.. His win rate with us was just over 42 per cent. And no trophy.

Almost. Just look at the home games remaining.

No one said go and get Moyes back but even with no trophy he was the most successful manager after JR.

 

[CRIMHEAD]

I’ll be honest, I’m still not sure what to make of Marco just yet. My expectations for the 1st half of 18/19 at the start of the season were to progress in the cup, to retain our position in the league (i.e no severe drop into the bottom half) during this building phase and to show some positive signs (i.e some expansive and free flowing Football and perhaps 1 or 2 unexpected results / performances against the established top 6)

The cup exit was extremely disappointing for obvious reasons and I don’t think he got enough stick for that team selection. We should be higher in the league and our performances are inconsistent. There’s been some good togger, but no stand out results (Chelsea aside) that you would be particularly proud of.

The worrying thing (or one of them) is that people keep saying

“We’re on the right path”
“The changes Marco and Brands are making are the right ones”

How do we know? Was that not the same line we were all towing under Ronko and Walsh when patently they weren’t the right changes. I include the management of the club off the pitch in that too. I’m not saying we are making bad decisions in either respect, but how are we measuring them (other than ongoing results and perceived progress, or lack thereof)? Or are we just on a wing and a prayer again?.

I think the recruitment has been sketchy. Digne, Richarlison and Gomes are winners for what we should be shooting for and where we’d like to get to. Mina, Bernard and Zouma the jury is still out.

Overall, it’s easy to criticise and call for sackings, it’d be just as easy to continue with blind optimism but I think the best thing for everyone is to keep an open mind until the end of the season. Whatever happens we won’t be tearing up any trees. Europe is beyond us (via the league) and we’re too good to go down so lets just see where 2019 takes us.

How do we know?

It's a fair question. We know we are better than last year. There's plenty of statistical evidence, but we are creating MANY more chances, we have been significantly better in possession, and we definitely have some better players. This isn't blind optimism, it's tangible.

It's frustrating that we don't have more points, but as I said before, I don't think some of us remember how BAD we were last year. We were REALLY bad.

We are also 2 points out of 7th, 5 points out of 6th, and we've played almost every one of the big 6 away from home already. We are FINE.

 

[blue to the bone]

Almost. Just look at the home games remaining.

No one said go and get Moyes back but even with no trophy he was the most successful manager after JR.

18 games left. Let's see..
Why mention him at all. He's not ever going to be involved again.

 

[hktoffee]

18 games left. Let's see..
Why mention him at all. He's not ever going to be involved again.

20 games gone too. 7 wins.

I mention Moyes because I appreciate for what he had done here. He made Everton hard to beat and beat teams we expect to win. In fact, he was kind of faultless in the league given how low his budget was. If the aspiration is to break into the top 6 then the new manager must do better than Moyes. That’s the standard.

 

[Nymzee]

I guess it's just what you want: effective or stylish.

Ideally it's stylish AND effective but those managers and those teams are hard to find. We were effective under Sam (for the most part) and under Moyes, but we lambasted the boring football we paid to watch. We're more stylist under RM and Silva but lambast the numerous head-scratching defeats.

A combination would be ideal but then that manager wouldn't be here long.

 

[blue to the bone]

20 games gone too. 7 wins.

I mention Moyes because I appreciate for what he had done here. He made Everton hard to beat and beat teams we expect to win. In fact, he was kind of faultless in the league given how low his budget was. If the aspiration is to break into the top 6 then the new manager must do better than Moyes. That’s the standard.

The standard we should aspire to is that of Howard kendall. Not anyone else

 

[riddick]

The long and the short of it is the team is underperforming. They have for months. Peele can use the excuse "short of him going in the pitch what do you want??" all they want but it's daft. He's not a proactive manager in the slightest. He's got a ton of extremely talented players and we have 7 wins to show for it. He's seemingly clueless analyzing what is going on the pitch when he did absolutely nothing to shore up midfield when we were completely overran in it yesterday.

5 points out of 21 is a pathetic return no matter how you try to spin it.