2018/19 Marco Silva - New Poll Added

[Khalekan]

Absolutely agree with this. The idea that a manager should also come in and improve the players already at his disposal, is a concept lost on several blues.

Digne, Gomes and Richarlison have been good in patches this season, all new signings. Mina & Bernard i'm less keen on, personally. But I would have hoped to see Davies, Kenny, DCL and / or Lookman kick on. Keane, Walcott, Tosun and / or Sigurdsson reinvigorated. Perhaps a renaissance from Seamus.

We've seen none of that, sadly.

Yes.....Big Joe showed how to do it

 

[Groucho]

Still better than large Samuel.

 

[Lanolin]

I was fully on board with this being a transition season. I expected us to struggle. However, I expected Silva to use it as a learning season and tinker/see what works best with various players.

Unfortunately, despite early encouraging signs, I'm now seeing alarming amounts of Martinez-level "do the same thing over and over again and expect different results" behaviour from him.

He doesn't have the CV to suggest it's a blip either; this is the same type of collapse as at Watford, the same cluelessness in tactical awareness and motivational skill.

So personally I now don't see the point in persisting with him. Southampton tipped me over the edge, and I think it did for a lot of people. There's got to at least be little green shoots of recovery to give fans hope - but all of those signs lay away from the manager.

Again, they’re valid points. I think for me it’s just a bit too soon. I was pretty happy with where we were heading about a month ago, so I can’t get on board with making a definitive call on how stubborn or intransigent he is based on such a short period. If this continues then I will be in the same boat as you, but to me it’s still very much early enough for him to turn it round.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I was fully on board with this being a transition season. I expected us to struggle. However, I expected Silva to use it as a learning season and tinker/see what works best with various players.

Unfortunately, despite early encouraging signs, I'm now seeing alarming amounts of Martinez-level "do the same thing over and over again and expect different results" behaviour from him.

He doesn't have the CV to suggest it's a blip either; this is the same type of collapse as at Watford, the same cluelessness in tactical awareness and motivational skill.

So personally I now don't see the point in persisting with him. Southampton tipped me over the edge, and I think it did for a lot of people. There's got to at least be little green shoots of recovery to give fans hope - but all of those signs lay away from the manager.

Only caveat is it's still 23 games, it's one to assess after the season draws to a close.

He has to show something - continuity because of continuity sake won't help shake of the apathy that has gripped Everton.

 

[4737carlin]

Still better than large Samuel.

Better looking, but unfortunately it ends there

 

[degsy]

I've just looked at a few numbers (mainly saves per goal) and Pickfords ratio is very ordinary. Forget the mistakes (which can happen to young goalkeepers) but he has gone backwards since Sunderland. At Sunderland he made 2.7 saves per goal conceded. At us that has been 2.08 and then 2.03 saves per goal.

To give some wider perspective Stekelenberg is 1.79, Emerson 2.35, De Gea (having a torrid season) is 2.51 (and was 4.1 last season) Fabianski is 2.52 & Kepa is 2.47. Only Stekelenberg seems to be worse than him (Mignolet last season was 1.5).

Either way, we took a chance on a lad who in a chaotic football club, as a young goalkeeper made a commendable 2.7 saves per goal. As he got older you would hope this would move upwards, potentially towards the 3 mark. If he'd have just matched his Sunderland output we'd have conceded 25 goals this season.How many points would that have been worth 6/7/8?

If he'd have matched Alisson we'd have conceded 18 goals this season so far. I dread to think where we would be in the league. What you get is Alisson is a truly World Class keeper and Pickford is some way off.

It's not just the mistakes he's making either. His all round bread and butter game is very ordinary and has actually significantly regressed.

When The Stek first played he looked very good, he peaked with those 2 penalty saves Vs City. His good start was maybe him super concentrating and trying, but those saves went to his head and he thought he had it made, effort dropped off, then performance.
It would be interesting to see his stats either side of those penalty saves.
Back in the day West had the first of his poor patches of both form and confidence. Catterick put in a 21 y.o. total unknown in Andy Rankin...he did well, very well.
I'd take a chance in Virginia for the cup game, it would maybe help to concentrate the mind of the defence knowing they had a young keeper to protect...though this is Everton and could rebound back the other way.

 

[Toffe3m4n]

Just seen the Watford tweet...

We really are a joke aren't we?

 

[Blue Roo]

I've just looked at a few numbers (mainly saves per goal) and Pickfords ratio is very ordinary. Forget the mistakes (which can happen to young goalkeepers) but he has gone backwards since Sunderland. At Sunderland he made 2.7 saves per goal conceded. At us that has been 2.08 and then 2.03 saves per goal.

To give some wider perspective Stekelenberg is 1.79, Emerson 2.35, De Gea (having a torrid season) is 2.51 (and was 4.1 last season) Fabianski is 2.52 & Kepa is 2.47. Only Stekelenberg seems to be worse than him (Mignolet last season was 1.5).

Either way, we took a chance on a lad who in a chaotic football club, as a young goalkeeper made a commendable 2.7 saves per goal. As he got older you would hope this would move upwards, potentially towards the 3 mark. If he'd have just matched his Sunderland output we'd have conceded 25 goals this season.How many points would that have been worth 6/7/8?

If he'd have matched Alisson we'd have conceded 18 goals this season so far. I dread to think where we would be in the league. What you get is Alisson is a truly World Class keeper and Pickford is some way off.

It's not just the mistakes he's making either. His all round bread and butter game is very ordinary and has actually significantly regressed.

I hate these type of stats.
How does Ward Prowse's goal translate, or the countless other goals that have nothing to do with the Pickford's value and quality to the team?

These stats tell you more about whats happening in the midfield, the defence and Silva's tactics than Pickford.

I keep going on about the Chelsea match but in that when the defence was organised properly Pickford played an outstanding game.
One of the qualities of a top goalkeeper is how he positions himself to be the last man in defence.
But in order to do that effectively you have to have some semblance of structure and consistency.
Not the shambles we have.
Its almost like the whole defensive structure doesn't start to sort itself out until after Gana has done his thing.

If you look at De Gea brilliant performance, it has a lot do do with working off the angles already established.
Allison has Van Dijk.
Pickford head must be spinning at times with what he's faced with.

Yes he's had some howlers, but reckon there's quite a few prem gks who'd be doing worse under the same conditions.

 

[Blue Roo]

The jury is out on Silva. I see progress but I see also a sad continuation of established frailties.

However, we have to factor in Pickford. His form has destroyed our season single handedly. His catalogue of errors (with that derby catastrophe taking 'pride' of place) have skewed any analysis that can be made. The football has been decent, the application good; you just dont need a player in a key position making frequent costly errors.

Along with the summer failure to land a good striker, THAT'S been the deciding factor in our season.

Putting this on Pickford, over Silva...c'mon Dave.

 

[BernieH]

I was fully on board with this being a transition season. I expected us to struggle. However, I expected Silva to use it as a learning season and tinker/see what works best with various players.

Unfortunately, despite early encouraging signs, I'm now seeing alarming amounts of Martinez-level "do the same thing over and over again and expect different results" behaviour from him.

He doesn't have the CV to suggest it's a blip either; this is the same type of collapse as at Watford, the same cluelessness in tactical awareness and motivational skill.

So personally I now don't see the point in persisting with him. Southampton tipped me over the edge, and I think it did for a lot of people. There's got to at least be little green shoots of recovery to give fans hope - but all of those signs lay away from the manager.

That bit in bold, when this starts happening, it's only a matter of time. I hope he can turn it around because we need some stability. I'm still in the give him the eason and start of next camp and although I'm not happy, barring a disaster, I think that's where I'm laying my eggs for now.

 

[BernieH]

When The Stek first played he looked very good, he peaked with those 2 penalty saves Vs City. His good start was maybe him super concentrating and trying, but those saves went to his head and he thought he had it made, effort dropped off, then performance.
It would be interesting to see his stats either side of those penalty saves.
Back in the day West had the first of his poor patches of both form and confidence. Catterick put in a 21 y.o. total unknown in Andy Rankin...he did well, very well.
I'd take a chance in Virginia for the cup game, it would maybe help to concentrate the mind of the defence knowing they had a young keeper to protect...though this is Everton and could rebound back the other way.

If we played Virginia in the cup and got beat, it wouldn't end well for Marco. He hasn't the luxury of being able to try that.

 

[Parker]

He gets until this time last year, performances permitted, before I would contemplate calling for his head.

 

[msb]

He gets until this time last year, performances permitted, before I would contemplate calling for his head.

Freudian Slip?

 

[Billy Dean]

Only caveat is it's still 23 games, it's one to assess after the season draws to a close.

He has to show something - continuity because of continuity sake won't help shake of the apathy that has gripped Everton.

It’s hard to know how to change things though. Of our 3 centre forwards, 1 is raw, 1 is crap, 1 is not really a centre forward. None of our AMs are setting the world alight. A jaded Gueye and Gomes are a far more preferred option than Morgan, McCarthy and Davies. If Coleman gets rested then Kenny has to play. I like Kenny but most would rather see their mothers sold into sexual slavery than see him get a run of games. The CBs are at best inconsistent (all of them) and Pickford has gone full banter with only Stek as backup. I’m struggling to see a solution.

 

[Parker]

Freudian Slip?

Hahaha I meant next year.