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Marco Silva

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Kever10 said:
Thing is, we are a bang average team. It's not like we've been playing well and missing out due to bad luck. Koeman has left us with a very average, unbalanced squad. He spent big on average players that he thought were established and would come straight in and consolidate, but it was very short sighted, and badly judged.

The whole squad needed a rebuild when Moyes left, Martinez was working on introducing the youngsters, as we didn't have the funds, but it takes time, and we weren't patient enough. Koeman tried the short term fix and it's set us back years.
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You’re looking at it the wrong way round. It’s not that the club lost patience with the youngsters, it’s that the youngsters lost patience with the club. Stones lukaku and Barkley are the ones you’re talking about here let’s be clear, because players like holgate and Davies weren’t getting a look in under Martinez but came through under koeman, along with DCL (thus blowing your misguided, ill informed argument right out of the water anyway). All three of them have decided they want to go and win stuff elsewhere, the club would love to have kept them and so would us meany fans.
 
Lanolin said:
You’re looking at it the wrong way round. It’s not that the club lost patience with the youngsters, it’s that the youngsters lost patience with the club. Stones lukaku and Barkley are the ones you’re talking about here let’s be clear, because players like holgate and Davies weren’t getting a look in under Martinez but came through under koeman, along with DCL (thus blowing your misguided, ill informed argument right out of the water anyway). All three of them have decided they want to go and win stuff elsewhere, the club would love to have kept them and so would us meany fans.
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Good point that and one that needs to be re-iterated every now and then. In a nutshell any player who has serious quality leaves EFC to pursue silverware. The ones that haven't left frankly aren't good enough. The reasons for not retaining players of quality are well known but uncomfortable to a lot of Bill's happy clappers.

Will take a sea change in mentiality and the way the club is run to change that.
 
Eggs said:
..I don’t think this is about money. If he wants to leave, I agree it’s looking like Silva needs to make that known to the Watford owners and perhaps go public. That would usually suffice but only time will tell.
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Good post, but I think you are wrong that is not about money. It is about money, the Pozzos are businessmen, but the sums we are talking about are quite different. I've copied a post from the Watford board which sums it up perfectly, I think:

Everton fans think its all down to giving us a couple more million than they offered. "It's all down to money".

Well in a way thats right, but only if we can find a new manager who we feel is risk free and will continue the good work and get us into the top ten where we appear to be heading. Everton fans - how easy is it to find a new manager 1/3 of the way into the season?

How much risk is involved?

If we thought losing the coach at this point could see a predicted finish of 13th, 14th or 15th instead of 8th, 9th 10th then we lose about 6 to 10 million in prize money. Any offer so far from Everton ONLY covers anticipated loss of income from disrupting our coach halfway through a season. We parted ways with Joka, QSF and Walter of course, but waited until the close season exactly because it's a ball ache finding someone. Additionally if we went to huddersfield (for example) for Wagner we would expect them to want some compo, whats the point in accepting 10m from Everton to have to pay 6m to replace? Or we get Pardew in for free.

The additional risk is that we do not manage to find a suitable coach and whoever they put in flops badly leaving us in the relegation fight. If we were to get relegated would 20/30/40m be worthwhile compensation from Everton? The answer is emphatically no.

If Everton called in January and we had 28 points, then we could probably weigh up the risk of relegation and say it's so small and only need consider compensation to cover the potential drop in prize money. I've mentioned Troy Deeneys Leicester bids, 25m was a lot, but they clearly turned it down due to the effect it could have had, the risk analysis said we're better off 25m poorer short term, for greater chance of longer term economic benefit. Iggy could have gone to Man Utd but we only sold him when he lost form and became unimportant to the team.

So is it easy to find a manager 1/3 through the season? Ask Everton.
 
andy ranbeer said:
Good post, but I think you are wrong that is not about money. It is about money, the Pozzos are businessmen, but the sums we are talking about are quite different. I've copied a post from the Watford board which sums it up perfectly, I think:

Everton fans think its all down to giving us a couple more million than they offered. "It's all down to money".

Well in a way thats right, but only if we can find a new manager who we feel is risk free and will continue the good work and get us into the top ten where we appear to be heading. Everton fans - how easy is it to find a new manager 1/3 of the way into the season?

How much risk is involved?

If we thought losing the coach at this point could see a predicted finish of 13th, 14th or 15th instead of 8th, 9th 10th then we lose about 6 to 10 million in prize money. Any offer so far from Everton ONLY covers anticipated loss of income from disrupting our coach halfway through a season. We parted ways with Joka, QSF and Walter of course, but waited until the close season exactly because it's a ball ache finding someone. Additionally if we went to huddersfield (for example) for Wagner we would expect them to want some compo, whats the point in accepting 10m from Everton to have to pay 6m to replace? Or we get Pardew in for free.

The additional risk is that we do not manage to find a suitable coach and whoever they put in flops badly leaving us in the relegation fight. If we were to get relegated would 20/30/40m be worthwhile compensation from Everton? The answer is emphatically no.

If Everton called in January and we had 28 points, then we could probably weigh up the risk of relegation and say it's so small and only need consider compensation to cover the potential drop in prize money. I've mentioned Troy Deeneys Leicester bids, 25m was a lot, but they clearly turned it down due to the effect it could have had, the risk analysis said we're better off 25m poorer short term, for greater chance of longer term economic benefit. Iggy could have gone to Man Utd but we only sold him when he lost form and became unimportant to the team.

So is it easy to find a manager 1/3 through the season? Ask Everton.
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..yep, I read that yesterday when I had a nosey on their fans forum. I notice they have started a new thread, ‘Silvas Replacement’.

It seems like a situation that is looking increasingly complicated. I still don’t think this is about the compensation figure at this stage, I think Watford owners want Silva to stay. We can assume he wants to leave but we don’t know that for sure. What we truly don’t know is any communication between Silva and the owners. It might be a situation where Everton can do no more, it’s down to the man himself now.

Interesting few days coming up.
 
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Excited to see what today brings........ potential embargo breaker on the way I thinks
 

Eggs said:
..if it’s a stalemate, I wonder if a press contact might ultimately be used by Silva to get a story out there that he’s unhappy.
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Don't think its going to goto a stalemate my good man Eggs.

I think we will stump up the cash - similar to the AVB Chelsea deal and be done with it.

In the stands for Atalanta - and in the dugout for Southampton.
 

Need this sorting ASAP, we’ve been tragic the last 2 games and been very fortunate to pick up 4 points. Need him in with plenty of time to get us drilled before Southampton. Our squad is so poor though he’s got a big job on his hands.
 
MickA said:
Good point that and one that needs to be re-iterated every now and then. In a nutshell any player who has serious quality leaves EFC to pursue silverware. The ones that haven't left frankly aren't good enough. The reasons for not retaining players of quality are well known but uncomfortable to a lot of Bill's happy clappers.

Will take a sea change in mentiality and the way the club is run to change that.
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It’s nothing to do with mentality. Stones and Lukaku left to go to the Manchester clubs who have ten times th money we do
 

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