If you're saying he's sacked if we lose against Burnley, then that's the very definition of judging him on a game by game basis.
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If you're saying he's sacked if we lose against Burnley, then that's the very definition of judging him on a game by game basis.
Koeman had just taken Southampton to 2 x 6th place finishes and was being touted for the Arsenal job amongst others in Europe.
Yes he had a bad time at Valencia, but managers are not all going to come with a gleaming record, some of the best have hit bad times. Who would have thought Ranieri would ever have a swansong?
Koeman wasn’t a gamble, he had good prem league form as well as European experience and a glittering playing career (not particularly relative i know) but would surely buy him some respect with today’s modern prima Donna players.
He simply was cold as ice, therefore the fans never took to him. He was easy to get rid of due to that and the terrible run of form.
Melkor
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Silva is one of the luckiest managers out there, in any other club he would've be sacked, but in good old Everton we give him all the time he needs to ruin our new season. We haven't even faced the better teams yet, still we are in the 15th position close to relegation. Getting him in the first place was a bad idea!
I disagree, it would just possibly be one game too many. Sacking a manager for losing 5 out of 6 isn’t judging him on the 6th game, it’s judging him over the 6 games and making a call.
Koeman assembled the worst squad of players in recent memory with a budget of about £250m, that probably contributed a bit to the fans turning on him.
Whilst some of this crab footy and crap tactics under Silva gets on my tits, it's still better than anything we saw under Allardyce mate,
Yes I agree, but that squad of players still finished 8th that season.
I’m not defending Koeman here by the way, just stating Silva should be judged on the same basis.
He’s signed better players apparently but is getting equally as bad results.
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Appreciate what you're trying to say, but you're actually saying;
"If we lose to Burney, that's him sacked"
"No it's not judging him on a game-by-game basis"
My point is if we've reached that stage, the club should be looking for his replacement regardless of the Burnley game.
Marco Silva should be judged on the entirety of his career, not 7 or 8 games and not Burnley.
Mate, if he gets sacked it’s not just going to be “because we lost to Burnley”. It’s going to be a culmination of many things, but at the end of the day there’s always a trigger point.
I think the point you are making, is you actually don’t appreciate what I am saying, as I have clearly stated he is not at all being judged on one game alone at all.
He is being judged on his whole time at Everton, his results in general and if it transpires that the trigger gets pulled after the Burnley game, then that’s just another in the whole sequence of events that got them to this point.
They may well be discussing the post with other people as we speak, we will never know when that decision was made. He was apparently on “thin ice” last season.
"culmination of many things"
Based on Everton thinking he was the right man in August, a "culmination of many things" being 8 games then.
My point is a very simple one.
If Marcel Brands is at a point when one result determines whether the manager stays or goes, then the manager should already be going and it should just be a matter of time/getting his replacement in.
The club shouldn't need to justify sacking him, they either have confidence in him or they don't. One game doesn't, or at least shouldn't change that.
You mean exactly what happened with Koeman? Yeah, that.
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I would hope they have already been looking and have someone in mind and will pull the trigger at the appropriate moment. It should have already happened imo because they have to already know that there is no way is this the guy who is going to lead us to competing at the top no matter what happens in the forthcoming games. Just dont know with Everton's hierarchy though. They have shown they are more reactive than proactive many times in recent years.
Here's hoping that they are organised and proactive this time and dont allow this sideshow to go on much longer.
Here's hoping that they are organised and proactive this time and dont allow this sideshow to go on much longer.
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Based on the fact he bought himself some more time with the run of form at the end of last season.
But it’s not as simple now as just getting rid of him and getting someone else in, as there now be nobody available who they want, so the timing will have to carefully judged.
I agree, but I think they think about overall PR and "how it looks" too.
I think they'd rather sack when the position is publically untenable rather than just internally untenable. Of course, if we had competency at boardroom level, they'd simply act as they thought best and just do it. But we have Moshiri who bangs on about James McCarthy being family, so we have to curb our expectations.
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