2019/20 Marco Silva

[DickRitchie214]

It really isnt. Totally knackered us last weekend.

In the context of what actually happened as the game unfolded, yes, you are correct. Deflated our notoriously fragile side.

I'm saying that it should not have been an issue but for a bunch of mistakes that happened prior.
- missed at least 2 quality chances with poor finishing
- Davies/Gomes/Pickford combined to gift Brighton their first goal. Should never ever have happened.
- the insanely poor sub of Gylfi at 30', which pushed Iwobi out left and took him out of the game essentially, left a huge hole in the middle of the park and completely stifled any semblance of forward motion we had, allowed Trossard come on and straight up boss play for the final 30. We're never even in a position for the questionable foul call to matter because likely that play never happens!

I don't get why some choose to isolate one moment when there were 80+ other moments that could have gone better.

 

[roydo]

I don't get why some choose to isolate one moment when there were 80+ other moments that could have gone better.

Because the manager cant control every aspect of every game. Like you say, their opener was an on field balls up. Not zonal marking or sommet, players making mistakes. Pickford included.

We go 2 1 up, through good, pretty dominant play, with a sub getting the second. (Subs work both ways, dont see him getting any credit for putting DCL on).

Then VAR, then a 94th minute OG. And its ALL on Silva.

Agree on the Sigi sub mind. But with hindsight.

 

[DickRitchie214]

Because the manager cant control every aspect of every game. Like you say, their opener was an on field balls up. Not zonal marking or sommet, players making mistakes. Pickford included.

We go 2 1 up, through good, pretty dominant play, with a sub getting the second. (Subs work both ways, dont see him getting any credit for putting DCL on).

Then VAR, then a 94th minute OG. And its ALL on Silva.

Agree on the Sigi sub mind. But with hindsight.

Definitely not, but he's got a better chance in 89 minutes vs. 1! lol

Almost all of what I said was in hindsight, except the Gylfi sub. To me that was the absolute turning point and beginning of the end, because of the major ripple effect it had. I said it the moment he came on the pitch. We're all pissed (not drunk, annoyed, you silly English), lots of blame to go around.

 

[Zatara]

This is a brave and noble cause Zat, sadly Silva will just let you down, over and over again.

As I said you can keep offering mitigation, but the cold hard facts say 6 defeats in 10 and quite frankly thats not even close to being acceptable.

But im almost with you, he just needs to, yano, win some games.

We are mostly a fickle fanbase, sure there are fans that will never switchback, but the majority will get back on side if we can string a few wins together, but results are all that matter and so far they are beyond horrific, even factoring in the small pieces of mitigation here and there.

I dont think @ForeverBlue92 (with 100 posts of the same negativity per day) or @4737carlin (posting today how he hopes for a 3-0 loss to boot Silva) will be changing their spots anytime soon.

But i think weve had some really bad luck all season and sadly most of the squad just arent up to it.

Cant see how another manager would drastically alter things myself.

In the context of what actually happened as the game unfolded, yes, you are correct. Deflated our notoriously fragile side.

I'm saying that it should not have been an issue but for a bunch of mistakes that happened prior.
- missed at least 2 quality chances with poor finishing
- Davies/Gomes/Pickford combined to gift Brighton their first goal. Should never ever have happened.
- the insanely poor sub of Gylfi at 30', which pushed Iwobi out left and took him out of the game essentially, left a huge hole in the middle of the park and completely stifled any semblance of forward motion we had, allowed Trossard come on and straight up boss play for the final 30. We're never even in a position for the questionable foul call to matter because likely that play never happens!

I don't get why some choose to isolate one moment when there were 80+ other moments that could have gone better.

Because the manager cant control every aspect of every game. Like you say, their opener was an on field balls up. Not zonal marking or sommet, players making mistakes. Pickford included.

We go 2 1 up, through good, pretty dominant play, with a sub getting the second. (Subs work both ways, dont see him getting any credit for putting DCL on).

Then VAR, then a 94th minute OG. And its ALL on Silva.

Agree on the Sigi sub mind. But with hindsight.

Definitely not, but he's got a better chance in 89 minutes vs. 1! lol

Almost all of what I said was in hindsight, except the Gylfi sub. To me that was the absolute turning point and beginning of the end, because of the major ripple effect it had. I said it the moment he came on the pitch. We're all pissed (not drunk, annoyed, you silly English), lots of blame to go around.

Agreed about the pitch situations where we should have scored more, not only yesterday but in other games...but thats not the managers fault.

Sigurdsson should just be sold in Jan BUT the choice is basically him or Kean...there is no one else. Also we were still on top and should have seen DCLs goal as the winner.

Brighton wont be luckier this season.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I dont think @ForeverBlue92 (with 100 posts of the same negativity per day) or @4737carlin (posting today how he hopes for a 3-0 loss to boot Silva) will be changing their spots anytime soon.

But i think weve had some really bad luck all season and sadly most of the squad just arent up to it.

Cant see how another manager would drastically alter things myself.






Agreed about the pitch situations where we should have scored more, not only yesterday but in other games...but thats not the managers fault.

Sigurdsson should just be sold in Jan BUT the choice is basically him or Kean...there is no one else. Also we were still on top and should have seen DCLs goal as the winner.

Brighton wont be luckier this season.

I just call it as it is mate.

When you start referring to bollox such as bad luck you know you're backing a 3 legged horse.

 

[roydo]

Definitely not, but he's got a better chance in 89 minutes vs. 1! lol

Almost all of what I said was in hindsight, except the Gylfi sub. To me that was the absolute turning point and beginning of the end, because of the major ripple effect it had. I said it the moment he came on the pitch. We're all pissed (not drunk, annoyed, you silly English), lots of blame to go around.

But with him on the pitch we took the lead did we not? We didnt lose that game cos of that sub.

 

[DickRitchie214]

But with him on the pitch we took the lead did we not? We didnt lose that game cos of that sub.

we're going to have to agree to disagree then. I very clearly detailed above the ripple effect of what that sub meant

we took the lead because Holgate and DCL managed a 30 second flash of brilliance

 

[Zatara]

I just call it as it is mate.

When you start referring to bollox such as bad luck you know you're backing a 3 legged horse.

Or the hare and the tortoise....but who won in the end?

 

[marsh]

Emery in? lol

 

[neilsyd]

I dont think @ForeverBlue92 (with 100 posts of the same negativity per day) or @4737carlin (posting today how he hopes for a 3-0 loss to boot Silva) will be changing their spots anytime soon.

But i think weve had some really bad luck all season and sadly most of the squad just arent up to it.

Cant see how another manager would drastically alter things myself.






Agreed about the pitch situations where we should have scored more, not only yesterday but in other games...but thats not the managers fault.

Sigurdsson should just be sold in Jan BUT the choice is basically him or Kean...there is no one else. Also we were still on top and should have seen DCLs goal as the winner.

Brighton wont be luckier this season.

What is the managers fault then? Managers give players confidence and stability. You are there to coach players in training, give them clear direction but more than anything else, to get the best out of them. That’s what they get paid for. Klopps turned Liverpool’s players into almost robots and our players fold in the case of any adversity. I don’t think there’s any player in our team playing above themselves. The most successful teams in the league have 7/8 players playing beyond what we thought they were capable of.
If you analyse games with the “the manager doesn’t kick the football” mentality then you may aswell not have one.

 

[Zatara]

What is the managers fault then? Managers give players confidence and stability. You are there to coach players in training, give them clear direction but more than anything else, to get the best out of them. That’s what they get paid for. Klopps turned Liverpool’s players into almost robots and our players fold in the case of any adversity. I don’t think there’s any player in our team playing above themselves. The most successful teams in the league have 7/8 players playing beyond what we thought they were capable of.
If you analyse games with the “the manager doesn’t kick the football” mentality then you may aswell not have one.

I think you will find that Klopp has signed an entire team of new players. Some of those players were for world record fees in their position.

Can you think of a team with 7/8 players doing as you say...with Michael Keane / Morgan Schneiderlin / Gylfi Sigurdsson / Seamus Coleman performing as they have been this season, surely tugging those 7 or 8 into oblivion.

Klopp has been very lucky with injuries...this season alone weve had Mina + Gomes/Gbamin injured and now Bernard.

The main thing for me though is that the RS actually had some decent players before Klopp took over...Silva...what was he left with?

Were rebuilding the entire squad.

 

[Goat]

I dont think @ForeverBlue92 (with 100 posts of the same negativity per day) or @4737carlin (posting today how he hopes for a 3-0 loss to boot Silva) will be changing their spots anytime soon.

But i think weve had some really bad luck all season and sadly most of the squad just arent up to it.

Cant see how another manager would drastically alter things myself.






Agreed about the pitch situations where we should have scored more, not only yesterday but in other games...but thats not the managers fault.

Sigurdsson should just be sold in Jan BUT the choice is basically him or Kean...there is no one else. Also we were still on top and should have seen DCLs goal as the winner.

Brighton wont be luckier this season.

If you think this squad is only good enough for 16th then I really cant help you anymore and you should probably consider another sport truth be told.

 

[Thomasc]

His entire managerial career before we tapped him up.

Also the ability to somehow get a tune out of Michael Keane and Sigurdsson last season.

I can name more rubbish players at the club than good ones...let that marinate.

Oh ok, so we have good players but are losing my matches regularly, can’t defend to save our lives and have an appalling away record to boot.

Kind of arguing my point for me really aren’t you?

 

[Lowste]

2 points off relegation zone.

Look Zat he lost 6 times out of 10 matches and the oppositions were Sheff Utd, Villa, Bournemouth, Burnley and Brighton. He deserves to go since he cannot do a job which he was asked to ie getting Euro. Give us the reasons...what make you believe he is up to the job?

I think in some ways it isn’t just about results, as Zat says we are 3pts off 7th

The problem I feel is more about a plan, tactics and motivation.
If we were in this position and we had played good football and showed effort and determination I don’t think Silva would have such a large percentage of supporters against him

But the problem is time after time he just keeps getting things wrong

 

[wiggum23]

I dont think @ForeverBlue92 (with 100 posts of the same negativity per day) or @4737carlin (posting today how he hopes for a 3-0 loss to boot Silva) will be changing their spots anytime soon.

But i think weve had some really bad luck all season and sadly most of the squad just arent up to it.

Cant see how another manager would drastically alter things myself.






Agreed about the pitch situations where we should have scored more, not only yesterday but in other games...but thats not the managers fault.

Sigurdsson should just be sold in Jan BUT the choice is basically him or Kean...there is no one else. Also we were still on top and should have seen DCLs goal as the winner.

Brighton wont be luckier this season.

Honestly mate, you really don’t think another manager could avoid losing 6 out of 10 against the sides we have played?

You can quote luck, VAR, injuries but those withstanding the side we’ve had on the pitch should be enough to have bettered that return.

I hope you are right, I just don’t see it