Martinez: Everton players fear Goodison Crowd

[madkiwi]

So after these comments, are those going to the game going to boo more or less?

Also has anyone considered that getting on your own team also encourages the away team's players and fans? They can see the pressure we're under and it can spur them on.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I live in another country Mikey. would love to go every week.

For me its about supporting them during the 90. If times are very bad and the result/performance is bad I can understand the boos at full time and may half time.

Especially with young players. Okay you want to groan when Ross misplaces an easy pass or one of them miscontrols or goes backward when we need to push forward, but what I do if I do shout anything is shouting come on or encouragement or whatever the hell. I clap an attempt to do something even if it doesn´t come off. I said yesterday a good example was Stones pushing up and he tries a ball in behind to get Coleman in behind, the pass was poor and the negative reaction was clear. I would have clapped the attempt and the idea he had, and we saw soon afterwards he tried the same and picked out Coleman who could have scored.

Thankfully Stones and Rom seem very confident. Ross and Deulo less so though.

I understand the argument of the money spent and the time taken to travel to see them, but for me that makes even less sense acting in a way that is unlikely to help young players get the result we all want.

With 99% of the people mate it's involuntary

I sit with people of all shapes, sizes, ages and genders and there's almost always a common theme. Player does something bad, everyone groans. 30 seconds later, he does something good, everyone claps. There's no booing in my section during the 90 minutes, just people reacting to what they see on the pitch

Groaning is something you don't want to do, but you do it because you want to see Everton do well and when they don't, you feel bad. Hence, you let out a frustrated groan. When Everton do well, you cheer, clap and laugh etc. I've chortled at some of the fine team play we've shown this season. To be honest, when something goes bad, I normally don't groan but merely go quiet. We all react to things differently

It really is that simple, and the campaign by some against the paying Goodison crowd is as pointless as it is facile

 

[Khalekan]

With 99% of the people mate it's involuntary

I sit with people of all shapes, sizes, ages and genders and there's almost always a common theme. Player does something bad, everyone groans. 30 seconds later, he does something good, everyone claps. There's no booing in my section during the 90 minutes, just people reacting to what they see on the pitch

Groaning is something you don't want to do, but you do it because you want to see Everton do well and when they don't, you feel bad. Hence, you let out a frustrated groan. When Everton do well, you cheer, clap and laugh etc. I've chortled at some of the fine team play we've shown this season. To be honest, when something goes bad, I normally don't groan but merely go quiet. We all react to things differently

It really is that simple, and the campaign by some against the paying Goodison crowd is as pointless as it is facile

+1

 

[Igrok]

Mazafaka, i'm scared...coz this Mexican gonna drive us off the cliff...

 

[Khalekan]

As someone who watches Everton both home and away, I can say that away fans are just as liable to get wound up if the team are playing badly

Again, I think most of the people having a go at the Goodison crowd in here are people who don't go themselves (Davek excluded, as I recall him saying that he goes). It's easy to have a go, but when you've paid for your ticket, traveled to the game and are having to sit there while the away fans taunt you, you tend to get a little bit perturbed. This doesn't mean you should boo of course (And for the record I don't) but getting frustrated? That's a perfectly valid reaction IMO

If the atmosphere at Goodison bothers you so much, my advice would be to buy a ticket, go the match and try and do something about it, rather than whining on an internet forum. Just an idea like

Oh you are on a roll today, Mikey.....

Show 'em yer studs, la'

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

I´d put it to you Dixie that the fans in the Prem League are largely cryarses and have been over-pampered by the sky hype and media. everything is now now now. no patience.

Really?

Lets look at the evidence...

First season, and martinez is ALL about getting his players to the world cup. That's all he was on about. OK, we had our best season under him; but then what?

Second season, we're cack, largely due to the fact that a lot of our players went the WC, and yet very few players are dropped at any stage.

This season. See last season. Nobody gets criticized. Nobody gets dropped. Martinez tells us we wont run down the clock because that's not how HE likes it. Nevermind if it's an appropriate policy or not - HE doesn't like it.

No. We have to be different. Our young stars must be allowed to 'express themselves'. It's not about the team, it's about individuals and when they do something that doesn't come off we best keep schtum about it. When they give the ball away we best keep schtum about it. When they make the same sort of mistakes & concede late on we best keep schtum about it. When we can't hold a two goal lead we best keep schtum about it. When we get beat by shabbite at home we best keep schtum about it.

We're only the fans - what do we know?

 

[gaino92]

With 99% of the people mate it's involuntary

I sit with people of all shapes, sizes, ages and genders and there's almost always a common theme. Player does something bad, everyone groans. 30 seconds later, he does something good, everyone claps. There's no booing in my section during the 90 minutes, just people reacting to what they see on the pitch

Groaning is something you don't want to do, but you do it because you want to see Everton do well and when they don't, you feel bad. Hence, you let out a frustrated groan. When Everton do well, you cheer, clap and laugh etc. I've chortled at some of the fine team play we've shown this season. To be honest, when something goes bad, I normally don't groan but merely go quiet. We all react to things differently

It really is that simple, and the campaign by some against the paying Goodison crowd is as pointless as it is facile

Where do you sit Mikey? Would happily sit there if it means not having to sit next to some beaut slating Lukaku because he's lazy and then goes and applauds Barkley for dawdling on the ball and loosing it!! Bipolar I would call our support at the minute

 

[oldblue]

He said we've got to make it more comfortable for our players. If he doesn't mean by using fabric softener in the wash, then it can only mean one thing when he also refers to "doubt and fear" at Goodison.

You're trying to interpret it in a way that is comfortable to you, rather than read the actual words.

So you've interpreted it and then told me I'm not reading the actual words.
Of course it's asking the crowd to help the players and I'm confused why any fans would not want to do that

 

[bicycleheader]

With 99% of the people mate it's involuntary

I sit with people of all shapes, sizes, ages and genders and there's almost always a common theme. Player does something bad, everyone groans. 30 seconds later, he does something good, everyone claps. There's no booing in my section during the 90 minutes, just people reacting to what they see on the pitch

Groaning is something you don't want to do, but you do it because you want to see Everton do well and when they don't, you feel bad. Hence, you let out a frustrated groan. When Everton do well, you cheer, clap and laugh etc. I've chortled at some of the fine team play we've shown this season. To be honest, when something goes bad, I normally don't groan but merely go quiet. We all react to things differently

It really is that simple, and the campaign by some against the paying Goodison crowd is as pointless as it is facile

well if its a campaign then its probably mainly one poster who will take this one issue and add it to his portfolio of reasons to bizarrely deflect all blame from the boss!

The main thing gets me is with Ross. If you were asked what you would love to happen at the club in the future one of the things would be to have a young blue in the team and to be one of the stars. We have it and think some of the fans don´t appreciate it enough.

That is only going on what I hear when watching online though and some matchgoing fans mention the same issue.

 

[bicycleheader]

Really?

Lets look at the evidence...

First season, and martinez is ALL about getting his players to the world cup. That's all he was on about. OK, we had our best season under him; but then what?

Second season, we're cack, largely due to the fact that a lot of our players went the WC, and yet very few players are dropped at any stage.

This season. See last season. Nobody gets criticized. Nobody gets dropped. Martinez tells us we wont run down the clock because that's not how HE likes it. Nevermind if it's an appropriate policy or not - HE doesn't like it.

No. We have to be different. Our young stars must be allowed to 'express themselves'. It's not about the team, it's about individuals and when they do something that doesn't come off we best keep schtum about it. When they give the ball away we best keep schtum about it. When they make the same sort of mistakes & concede late on we best keep schtum about it. When we can't hold a two goal lead we best keep schtum about it. When we get beat by shabbite at home we best keep schtum about it.

We're only the fans - what do we know?

Yes, basically. Please keep schtum and support the team during the 90 mins and if you really must have a boo at the end.

 

[Tubey]

So you've interpreted it and then told me I'm not reading the actual words.
Of course it's asking the crowd to help the players and I'm confused why any fans would not want to do that

I've interpreted the actual words; you've taken the overall message and tried to glean a positive from it that isn't there.

At best, he didn't say what he meant to say. If that's the case, he should come out and explain himself - but what you're interpreting as a rallying call simply isn't evident in what he said.

He could have said "we need to make Goodison Park a cauldron; that means having the fans on side and the players controlling games. We need to make teams afraid of coming to Goodison Park because of what we offer on and off the pitch." That would be a rallying call. But he didn't - he simply blamed the entire loss and our bad form on the fans to shield himself and the players.

And that's completely out of order and the words of a man completely out of his depth and running out of excuses.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Yes, basically. Please keep schtum and support the team during the 90 mins and if you really must have a boo at the end.

And get criticized for that, too.

They're the ones getting paid to 'entertain' aren't they? So 'kin entertain the fans. Get wins. Touch the ball at least once in the first 2-3 minutes.

'kin ada.

 

[Tubey]

With 99% of the people mate it's involuntary

I sit with people of all shapes, sizes, ages and genders and there's almost always a common theme. Player does something bad, everyone groans. 30 seconds later, he does something good, everyone claps. There's no booing in my section during the 90 minutes, just people reacting to what they see on the pitch

Groaning is something you don't want to do, but you do it because you want to see Everton do well and when they don't, you feel bad. Hence, you let out a frustrated groan. When Everton do well, you cheer, clap and laugh etc. I've chortled at some of the fine team play we've shown this season. To be honest, when something goes bad, I normally don't groan but merely go quiet. We all react to things differently

It really is that simple, and the campaign by some against the paying Goodison crowd is as pointless as it is facile

Bold bit is what being a fan is all about.

If you want a bunch of happy clappers for 90 minutes who ignore what is actually going on on the pitch, then that isn't Goodison Park. And thank feck for that.

 

[AndyC]

It's been said on this forum and in plenty of other places that at times, the Goodison crowd can be/is poisonous, aggressive towards our own and downright negative... and much of this is true, cannot be denied.

There does appear to be one fundamental difference between the current 'negative' crowd and its predecessors in that this negative crowd continues to turn up every home game... whereas in years gone by, the cushions would rain down from the MS and then large numbers would vote with their feet by simply not attending and paying to watch below par Everton performances. Lots on this forum can remember the days of sub 23,000 gates and even as low as 13,000 !!!

The crowd loyalty, certainly in terms of attendance figures, is largely driven by the need to have a season ticket these days, and for (I think) six of the past seven seasons, the numbers of ST purchasers has increased year on year.

Do we think that this trend is in danger of going into reverse this coming summer as a result of wavering belief in this manager and his seeming inability to coach a team to defend effectively and more importantly to the final whistle?

Do we think that this trend is in danger of going into reverse this coming summer as a result of the squads seeming inability to close out games that they are well in control of... Bournemouth away, Norwich away, even Chelsea away being just three examples?

Some fans will always be vitriolic and negative, it's partly the nature of the beast - and largely a UK trait - that we tend to be quick to criticise and slow to praise... many of us don't even need to set foot outside our own homes to demonstrate these tendencies never mind go to work or a game of footie.

There is no simple solution, there really isn't, but I'd venture to suggest that if the manager took a long hard look at just this season, he surely can see some worrying trends that have to be addressed and corrected.

Our defence, good players all of them simply don't have confidence in Tim Howard... good servant he has been, but is past his best.
Joel Robles may not be the long-term answer between the sticks, but it's time to play him and see if things improve as they have appeared to do so far in the CO-Cup this season.

Stonesy, elegant as he is must accept that there is a time and place for elegance and occasionally, a time when Row Z is the better option.

Ross, for all his mercurial talent dallies too often on the ball and coughs up possession... he tries so hard, maybe too hard to be the Evertonian we all want him to be, but his mental game appears to let him down... he needs a mentor !!!

And for me, the biggest, most glaring fault of the manager/team is we rarely play at a sustained high level of pace and everyone with any modicum of footballing experience knows that the one thing all opponents fear is facing pace.

 

[Verbal Kint]

Our away form added to what you would expect any decent blues team to get at home would see us right up there. Plenty of seasons that perfectly average Everton teams have won most home games just because people didn't like playing here.
A few reasons why that's changed. The atmosphere is almost certainly one of them.

How often have we heard players and Martinez laud the fantastic atmosphere and the Goodison roar, all well when things are going dandy. I'm not having it blamed for Shambolic performances.