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Martinez: Everton players fear Goodison Crowd

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You never answered my question.

If it's not the crowd then what are the players afraid of when playing at Goodison?

When Martinez refers to a negative atmosphere, what is he talking about if not the crowd? Spirits of former players perhaps?

More expectation? Different tactics by the opposition? Knowledge of the woeful record at home going back a while? And of course the crowd being a general moanfest would be another reason. All possibilities.

My point is that he can make comment on a fear of playing at home and could also address it with the players without putting the blame on the fans.

Would you agree the nervousness is quite obvious at times? Less so than last year, but still apparent. I think it´s a fair call addressing an obvious issue, and don´t agree that it can be assumed that its meant as a dig at the crowd as the misleading headline suggests.
 
They dont wan to play at Goodison because they cant express themselves.

Express themselves?

Kinell. It's not about how john stones can bring the ball out of defence to make john stones look good. We don't get points for artistic impression fafs.


The excuses you give. That's a wind up. Stating your reasons as irrefutable evidence, that's a wind up. Declaring the majority of media sources as being biased. That's a wind up

Contrary for the sake of being contrary. The desperate need to promote himself as some sort of "Voice of reason" or be a maverick.
 
Our season speaks for itself. Home and away form. Our players prefer to be on the road. They dont wan to play at Goodison because they cant express themselves.

EVERYONE honest enough to tell the truth knows the validity of that statement.

If they could arrange it, these players would play all the remaining games away from home. Not a shadow of a doubt about that.

It's criminal.
Yes and our away form is so sparkling
 
More expectation? Different tactics by the opposition? Knowledge of the woeful record at home going back a while? And of course the crowd being a general moanfest would be another reason. All possibilities.

My point is that he can make comment on a fear of playing at home and could also address it with the players without putting the blame on the fans.

Would you agree the nervousness is quite obvious at times? Less so than last year, but still apparent. I think it´s a fair call addressing an obvious issue, and don´t agree that it can be assumed that its meant as a dig at the crowd as the misleading headline suggests.
Yeah Malcolm Tucker would be proud of the spin being put on a statement that really it's difficult to argue with
 
As someone who watches Everton both home and away, I can say that away fans are just as liable to get wound up if the team are playing badly

Again, I think most of the people having a go at the Goodison crowd in here are people who don't go themselves (Davek excluded, as I recall him saying that he goes). It's easy to have a go, but when you've paid for your ticket, traveled to the game and are having to sit there while the away fans taunt you, you tend to get a little bit perturbed. This doesn't mean you should boo of course (And for the record I don't) but getting frustrated? That's a perfectly valid reaction IMO

If the atmosphere at Goodison bothers you so much, my advice would be to buy a ticket, go the match and try and do something about it, rather than whining on an internet forum. Just an idea like
 

More expectation? Different tactics by the opposition? Knowledge of the woeful record at home going back a while? And of course the crowd being a general moanfest would be another reason. All possibilities.

My point is that he can make comment on a fear of playing at home and could also address it with the players without putting the blame on the fans.

Would you agree the nervousness is quite obvious at times? Less so than last year, but still apparent. I think it´s a fair call addressing an obvious issue, and don´t agree that it can be assumed that its meant as a dig at the crowd as the misleading headline suggests.

Ok mate. Martinez says his players fear playing at Goodison.

You think its because of the different tactics from the opposition.

I, and the rest of the world's media, think he is saying it's because of the hostile atmosphere from the near 30k+ fans.
 
Here is another blog;

http://playingfor90.com/2016/01/25/everton-players-fearing-goodison-crowd-is-inexcusable/?

Everton players fearing Goodison crowd is inexcusable

Everton manager Roberto Martinez had admitted his club commits more defensive errors at home than away from Goodison Park

In the aftermath of Everton’s latest 2-1 home loss to Swansea City manager Roberto Martinez was left fuming at another poor home performance. This time, however, he didn’t focus his comments on the opponent or the refereeing, instead he talked about how his own side fears playing at Goodison Park.

Martinez specifically cited his club’s poor defense at home as a result of his team’s anxiety when playing in front of potentially critical home fans. If he’s right, and his own players are intimidated by their home supporters, then he needs to find some new players.

We’re talking about professionals here. This isn’t some sort of five-a-side schoolyard league. It’s quite possibly the richest professional football league in the world. While I admit there are certain things (racist chants, physical violence, etc) that should bother players, the booing of your home fans is not something you can let impact your performance.

Besides, Everton fans have every right to be frustrated with how their season has gone thus far. Despite the presence of three truly world-class players in John Stones, Ross Barkley and Romelu Lukaku, the Toffees find themselves 12th in the Premier League table. Surely their fans have the right to expect much better.

Instead of performing like shrinking violets when under pressure at home, Everton needs to find players who show real backbone when faced with adversity. Perhaps the lack of leadership on the Toffee squad is something Martinez should be looking to address in the current transfer window.

Ultimately, it’s the responsibility of Everton’s three best players to change the tenor of the team’s home performances. Stones, was particularly poor in the loss to Swansea and neither of his fellow stars did enough to bail him out. The side’s best players must take ownership of their team’s play in front of their passionate supporters.

After all, Everton fans want nothing more when they travel in droves to Goodison than to have reason to cheer their Toffees. Expressing their displeasure is only something that’s done when the team’s performance gives them no other option. Any player who sees their performance dip because their home crowd boos them should find a different football league to play in. It’s just inexcusable.
 
Yes and our away form is so sparkling
Our away form added to what you would expect any decent blues team to get at home would see us right up there. Plenty of seasons that perfectly average Everton teams have won most home games just because people didn't like playing here.
A few reasons why that's changed. The atmosphere is almost certainly one of them.
 
Would've hated to see how they'd have coped in the early 80's or early-mid 90's, if martinez and davek think they're gettin' a bum deal off our fans now.

Bunch o' bleedin cryarses that've been over-pampered by martinez. :dodgy:
 
As someone who watches Everton both home and away, I can say that away fans are just as liable to get wound up if the team are playing badly

Again, I think most of the people having a go at the Goodison crowd in here are people who don't go themselves (Davek excluded, as I recall him saying that he goes). It's easy to have a go, but when you've paid for your ticket, traveled to the game and are having to sit there while the away fans taunt you, you tend to get a little bit perturbed

If the atmosphere at Goodison bothers you so much, my advice would be to buy a ticket, go the match and try and do something about it, rather than whining on an internet forum. Just an idea like

I live in another country Mikey. would love to go every week.

For me its about supporting them during the 90. If times are very bad and the result/performance is bad I can understand the boos at full time and may half time.

Especially with young players. Okay you want to groan when Ross misplaces an easy pass or one of them miscontrols or goes backward when we need to push forward, but what I do if I do shout anything is shouting come on or encouragement or whatever the hell. I clap an attempt to do something even if it doesn´t come off. I said yesterday a good example was Stones pushing up and he tries a ball in behind to get Coleman in behind, the pass was poor and the negative reaction was clear. I would have clapped the attempt and the idea he had, and we saw soon afterwards he tried the same and picked out Coleman who could have scored.

Thankfully Stones and Rom seem very confident. Ross and Deulo less so though.

I understand the argument of the money spent and the time taken to travel to see them, but for me that makes even less sense acting in a way that is unlikely to help young players get the result we all want.
 

Ok mate. Martinez says his players fear playing at Goodison.

You think its because of the different tactics from the opposition.

I, and the rest of the world's media, think he is saying it's because of the hostile atmosphere from the near 30k+ fans.

It's as clear as day what he meant - I just think some on here are clutching as straws to explain the comments away, because they are inexcusable, and as such they need to pretend it was never said at all rather than explain it.

As said to Esk the other day, he wouldn't have used the words "doubt" or "fear" otherwise.
 
Ok mate. Martinez says his players fear playing at Goodison.

You think its because of the different tactics from the opposition.

I, and the rest of the world's media, think he is saying it's because of the hostile atmosphere from the near 30k+ fans.
He clearly hasn't said the atmosphere is the only reason, but the way I read it it's a rallying call to make it tougher for teams coming here. Why not try that? It's clearly not that they don't care so what's wrong with looking at making Goodison a fortress. Few things would help but the one we can guarantee is making the stadium fierce for the opposition
 
Ok mate. Martinez says his players fear playing at Goodison.

You think its because of the different tactics from the opposition.

I, and the rest of the world's media, think he is saying it's because of the hostile atmosphere from the near 30k+ fans.

I didn´t say I think its because of that. You are picking up another media bad habit, by misrepresenting what I am saying ;)

I said theres a possibility its not meant as a dig at the fans, rather just an acknowledgement of an issue we can see.

And I don´t think the media choosing the interpretation which is more controversial and means more clicks and thusly more ad revenue is a good basis for an argument otherwise. It´s a practice now even used by previously respected broadsheets such as The Guardian.
 
He clearly hasn't said the atmosphere is the only reason, but the way I read it it's a rallying call to make it tougher for teams coming here. Why not try that? It's clearly not that they don't care so what's wrong with looking at making Goodison a fortress. Few things would help but the one we can guarantee is making the stadium fierce for the opposition

He said we've got to make it more comfortable for our players. If he doesn't mean by using fabric softener in the wash, then it can only mean one thing when he also refers to "doubt and fear" at Goodison.

You're trying to interpret it in a way that is comfortable to you, rather than read the actual words.
 

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