Martinez: Everton players fear Goodison Crowd

[oldblue]

I agree with everything you say, but when things aren't going well, the crowd will normally react positively to a bit of intensity in the play, especially when we don't have the ball.

In the first half, there was precious little of that, which was partly due to enforced changes due to injuries and partly due to tactics or the players not following instructions, so I can see why there was booing at half time.

Second half, we were a lot better in terms of effort put in, and the booing was probably more for the result than anything.

Generally supporters will put up with a poor performance when they see the effort being put in. That doesn't mean we need to do a Dogs of War impersonation, but you do sometimes have to be seen to graft a bit on the pitch, even more so when you're not playing very well.

To be fair though this is what I don't understand. Definitely understand negativity to any team or player not looking interested or just doing the easiest thing. I don't see that anywhere in this team though apart from maybe one exception.

 

[Tubey]

I think it is very different from 2 years ago with respect. Expectations much higher, a better qualified and experienced team on the pitch and off the pitch, well just about everything you would not wish for in a corporate organisation is happening currently, it's bound to have an effect.

Professional sport like the peak of any industry is all about fine margins, at the moment those margins are not in our favour and it is manifesting itself with the uncertainties around us.

If that's the case, then when we have success, it'd be at root because of the board. So Martinez's first season would be because of the work of Kenwright and Elstone et al

Sorry, not buying that. They have maintained a status quo almost to a fault. I don't think it is different at all from an operative standpoint as to how we change, and I really don't think the board situation has any appreciable difference whatsoever with Martinez's performance either now or then. It would if it had changed in any way, but it's been a constant baseline throughout.

 

[Woolly Blue]

To be fair though this is what I don't understand. Definitely understand negativity to any team or player not looking interested or just doing the easiest thing. I don't see that anywhere in this team though apart from maybe one exception.

I don't think it's individuals. it's either a deliberate tactic or it's a general fear of overcommitting an attempted tackle and leaving a gap.

How many times have we heard Martinez, in post match interviews, mention our lack of intensity ? Maybe they just stand out in my mind, but it seems to be fairly common ?

 

[The Esk]

If that's the case, then when we have success, it'd be at root because of the board. So Martinez's first season would be because of the work of Kenwright and Elstone et al

Sorry, not buying that. They have maintained a status quo almost to a fault. I don't think it is different at all from an operative standpoint as to how we change, and I really don't think the board situation has any appreciable difference whatsoever with Martinez's performance either now or then. It would if it had changed in any way, but it's been a constant baseline throughout.

You cannot separate the two, they are intrinsically linked.

Off the top of my head I cannot think of any club that has sustained success and that is poorly run at Board level.

 

[Tubey]

You cannot separate the two, they are intrinsically linked.

Off the top of my head I cannot think of any club that has sustained success and that is poorly run at Board level.

Of course not. But are we really ran poorly in relation to how we operate on the pitch? That's why I'm saying if we had sold our playing assets a la Randy Lerner, or juggled managers like Chelsea, I'd agree with you. But what we have has been a constant for many many years going back under David Moyes. Nothing has changed to justify the underperformance from the manager right now.

 

[PhilM]

“We have six games left at home and they’re vital games for us. We need to make it comfortable for our players. We need to make sure we find a way to perform at Goodison.”

Yes we are a part of it, but I think that's primarily your job Roberto. A bad workmen never blames his tools!

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

He's becoming "The Excuse King" isn't he?

Not yet mate, Moyes still holds that title.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

He shouldn't be coming out with guff like this, but it was out of order to see the crowd reaction everytime Barkley or Stones got on the ball yesterday.

 

[Wayno]

I would hate to play at Goodison these days honestly. The moaning is insane, you can't blood a load of talented young players at a ground where every 2nd touch is met with shrieking and grumbling from the fans.

Honestly agree with Martinez on this one, I've not been to Goodison for ages because of it. It's bizzare

 

[The Esk]

Of course not. But are we really ran poorly in relation to how we operate on the pitch? That's why I'm saying if we had sold our playing assets a la Randy Lerner, or juggled managers like Chelsea, I'd agree with you. But what we have has been a constant for many many years going back under David Moyes. Nothing has changed to justify the underperformance from the manager right now.

Except perhaps a return to the norm?

Relative to our resources we outperformed hugely under Moyes (to his great credit) but that shouldn't necessarily be expected to continue.

 

[Tubey]

Except perhaps a return to the norm?

Relative to our resources we outperformed hugely under Moyes (to his great credit) but that shouldn't necessarily br expected to continue.

Which would mean Martinez is underperforming in relation to Moyes, which would mean Martinez should go and we need to look for a manager on the level of Moyes to perform the job that we know can be done here.

That said, again don't buy it - I think Moyes performed bang average for five years, and that's being generous. Martinez is just outright underperforming.

Our baseline, factoring in board investment, current playing squad and... well... everything really, is around about a 7th place finish in the Premier League. Above and below that indicate success and failure.

 

[Allezfan]

I would hate to play at Goodison these days honestly. The moaning is insane, you can't blood a load of talented young players at a ground where every 2nd touch is met with shrieking and grumbling from the fans.

Honestly agree with Martinez on this one, I've not been to Goodison for ages because of it. It's bizzare

Then you're part of the problem aren't you.

 

[DrEFC]

Then you're part of the problem aren't you.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Barry: “At home we should be coming out the blocks really quickly, getting the fans off their feet, but we gave Swansea a bit too much respect.”

They are fearing playing at Goodison because they are playing rubbish. They aren't good enough at present. thats the be all end all, 3 games won at home all season and they wonder why the fans are pissed off lollol

 

[bicycleheader]

The people best placed to make Goodison a tougher place for teams to visit are the players.

Bobby would be better advised banging the drum at them and finding ways of stopping them from gift wrapping goals to the opposition every flipping game.

I went the game yesterday filled with optimism and sure we were going to use it as a launchpad for an eleven day football feast which would kickstart our season.

Instead I witnessed our players backing off a team just outside the relegation zone and which rarely scores.....present them with a criminally easy first goal......our players dropping like flies through pre existing injuries which IMO raises questions about the competency of our medical staff.....and a boatload of chances and half chances go begging when we finally woke up in the second half.

And all this with a perishing wind swirling all around me.

I don't know about teams not finding it tough to play at Goodison.....but it is tough for the matchgoing fans to sit watching such incompetence.

I still don´t think the quote is saying what many are assuming it means, but I agree on the lack of pressure on Swansea. It´s still baffling a day later.

It would be fantastic if McCarthy was available for Wednesday, but given his injury record that could be too much of a risk.