Martinez new Belgium head coach

[Gwladysstreetlad]

No, he just almost relegated us instead.

Unreal.

And he'd of been sacked had that form continued into 04-05. It didn't though did it? We finished 4th, our best finish and season since the inception of the premier league and still hasn't been battered to this day. You see the difference? After having an unacceptable season he followed it up with a much better one.

Under Martinez we had a shocking 14-15 season when we only won 7 home league games and finished in 11th place finish, which we then followed up with finishing 11th again in 15-16 with a laughable six home league wins, an all time club low. Here's the real kicker though, it would of been even worse had Martinez not been shown the door prior to the final game at home to Norwich. Prior to that Martinez had achieved just five home league wins and had us in 13th place.

Unreal indeed.......

 

[davek]

And he'd of been sacked had that form continued into 04-05. It didn't though did it? We finished 4th, our best finish and season since the inception of the premier league and still hasn't been battered to this day. You see the difference? After having an unacceptable season he followed it up with a much better one. We had a shocking 14-15 season when we only won 7 home league games and finished in 11th place finish which we followed up with finishing 11th again in 15-16 with only six home wins, an all time club low. Here's the real kicker though, it would of been even worse had Martinez not been shown the door prior to the final game at home to Norwich. Prior to that Martinez had achieved just five home league wins and had us in 13th place.

Unreal indeed.......

Martinez's three seasons in order:

Best ever points total and wins by an Everton team in one PL
Last English team in Europe
Two cup SFs

Moyes was here 8 more years than Martinez and got us to a cup final...which is the only bit of recognition football-wise he should receive for the whole of his 11 years here. It was one part inspiration and 9 parts perspiration. Uninspiring football that had a long diagonal punt downfield as its signature move.

 

[BigMick]

No, Swansea were in fine fettle - almost extinct as a club.

*sigh*

Is that the same Swansea who had won promotion under the previous manager in 2004/5, won the FAW Cup the same season, for the first time; lost in the play off final (on penalties) for another promotion in 2005/6, won the FAW Cup again and won the Football League Trophy at Wembley in the same season?

*sigh*

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

lol It's like dangling a piece of string in front of a (yellow) cat.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Three seasons in order:

We've done this so many times pal but whatever.....

Best ever points total and wins by an Everton team in one PL

Which got us 5th, somthing Moyes had managed more then once and even bettered in 04-05. 5th place wasn't an achievement under Moyes and it wasn't under Martinez either.

Last English team in Europe

Not an achievement and it's laughable that you'd even suggest it was. Besides, Moyes tooks as far as Martinez managed in 14-15 on more then one occasion. Getting to the last 16 of the Europa league is not an achievement for Everton Football Club.

Two cup SFs

Again, not an achievement. Moyes took us to a few semi-finals and a final and we bottled the lot just like we did under Martinez. Reaching a semi-final or even final and losing is not an achievement and never will be. Tell you one thing that happened under Martinez in a semi-final that never happened under Moyes, the players going rogue and completely ignoring the managers game plan like they did under Martinez in 15-16 againt Man Utd.

Moyes was here 8 more years than Martinez and got us to a cup final...which is the only bit of recognition football-wise he should receive for the whole of his 11 years here. It was one part inspiration and 9 parts perspiration. Uninspiring football that had a long diagonal punt downfield as its signature move.

You can pretend it was awful football all the time under Moyes but anyone who went the match then knows you're talking rubbish. At no point under Moyes was the football as painful to watch as 14-15 and 15-16. At no point did Moyes sacrifice the general well-being of this club for his own vanity project. You can keep trying to rewrite history but the fact is Moyes had a style that worked far better then Martinez's ever did here.

 

[Blues Harp]

We've done this so many times pal but whatever.....

Which got us 5th, somthing Moyes had managed more then once and even bettered in 04-05. 5th place wasn't an achievement under Moyes and it wasn't under Martinez either.

Not an achievement and it's laughable that you'd even suggest it was. Besides, Moyes tooks as far as Martinez managed in 14-15 on more then one occasion. Getting to the last 16 of the Europa league is not an achievement for Everton Football Club.

Again, not an achievement. Moyes took us to a few semi-finals and a final and we bottled the lot just like we did under Martinez. Reaching a semi-final or even final and losing is not an achievement and never will be. Tell you one thing that happened under Martinez in a semi-final that never happened under Moyes, the players going rogue and completely ignoring the managers game plan like they did under Martinez in 15-16 againt Man Utd.

You can pretend it was awful football all the time under Moyes but anyone who went the match then knows you're talking rubbish. At no point under Moyes was the football as painful to watch as 14-15 and 15-16. At no point did Moyes sacrifice the general well-being of this club for his own vanity project. You can keep trying to rewrite history but the fact is Moyes had a style that worked far better then Martinez's ever did here.

Close thread.........leave the Davbot to his fantasies....Up the Mendips Dave lollollol

 

[hktoffee]

Martinez's three seasons in order:

Best ever points total and wins by an Everton team in one PL
Last English team in Europe
Two cup SFs

Moyes was here 8 more years than Martinez and got us to a cup final...which is the only bit of recognition football-wise he should receive for the whole of his 11 years here. It was one part inspiration and 9 parts perspiration. Uninspiring football that had a long diagonal punt downfield as its signature move.

Meaningless. Do you think those were achievements?

Who needs inspiring football when he can’t get results and was sacked rightfully.

 

[davek]

Meaningless. Do you think those were achievements?

Who needs inspiring football when he can’t get results and was sacked rightfully.

No, I dont think they're achievments. I mention them only to illustrate that, in a very short period of time here, he has to be judged on all that he did and not just the two mid-table finishes.

 

[Ollie d]

No trophies won by Martinez, Moyes or anyone since Royle. So all considered failures in my book.

 

[hktoffee]

No, I dont think they're achievments. I mention them only to illustrate that, in a very short period of time here, he has to be judged on all that he did and not just the two mid-table finishes.

For me cup runs are meaningless without winning the trophy. League is bread and butter.

 

[dead_soft]

No trophies won by Martinez, Moyes or anyone since Royle. So all considered failures in my book.

I hate this way of looking at it. We were in real danger off going down when Moyes took over, and we could easily have gone down over the next few seasons if he hadn’t been there. There’s nothing to suggest we wouldn’t have stayed down too. Trophies are obviously great but the club Moyes was managing was not a club that had the resources of clout to be expected to win trophies.

 

[davek]

For me cup runs are meaningless without winning the trophy. League is bread and butter.

...but if you dont win the league, that also means nothing....? That's your logic.

 

[PITA]

No, I dont think they're achievments. I mention them only to illustrate that, in a very short period of time here, he has to be judged on all that he did and not just the two mid-table finishes.

It wasn't the mid-table finishes that bothered me so much as the side-to-side, go-nowhere football. Absolutely turgid and painful to watch.

 

[davek]

It wasn't the mid-table finishes that bothered me so much as the side-to-side, go-nowhere football. Absolutely turgid and painful to watch.

Down to the players being hopelessly unable to develop. It has to be that, because we played a lot of exhilarating football in his first 18 months here, especially away from home, and because the Belgian team were considered to be the most exciting team at last year's World Cup.

 

[PITA]

Down to the players being hopelessly unable to develop. It has to be that, because we played a lot of exhilarating football in his first 18 months here, especially away from home, and because the Belgian team were considered to be the most exciting team at last year's World Cup.

But surely if the players weren't up to playing that way then there was no point in persisting with it.