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Martinez new Belgium head coach

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GrandOldTeam said:
We'll see.

He'd be a fool to leave semi-retirement because he's perfectly suited for international football because of this;
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How can what you quoted possibly stand as incisive comment when it flies in the face of the fact Martinez: 1/ recreated a football club and brought them to the cusp of the PL era (Swansea), 2/ managed Wigan to their greatest ever success they had no right to expect, by motivating a bunch of mediocre players to the greatest success of their careers, 3/ got an Everton team who had been discouraged from playing ball to feet and keeping hold of the ball for more than half a second to play to a method that we all believed them to be incapable of.

And, of course, taking the reins of an international team studded with talent is the easiest thing in the world to do, as successive managers of Brazil, Argentina, Holland, England, Italy etc in the last decade and a half have found out.
 
davek said:
So you dont think that getting £8M for a free signing is a good deal?
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8M is pretty irrelevant in today's market. By your logic Moyes is one of the all time greatest managers because we bought loads of players on the cheep and sold the bulk of them at a profit under his watch....
 
Gwladysstreetlad said:
8M is pretty irrelevant in today's market. By your logic Moyes is one of the all time greatest managers because we bought loads of players on the cheep and sold the bulk of them at a profit under his watch....
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That wasn't in today's market. It was about three years ago. Free signing-----> £8M.

How is that not good purchasing?
 

"As a player I would say he is a complete footballer...someone who copes with the physicality of the game but brings a really strong back-to-goal play in the forward position and with real quality finishing in his make-up.."

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davek said:
Martinez: 1/ recreated a football club and brought them to the cusp of the PL era (Swansea),
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Translation: won promotion from league one to the championship but then failed to reach the play-offs and ditched club for the money.
davek said:
2/ managed Wigan to their greatest ever success they had no right to expect, by motivating a bunch of mediocre players to the greatest success of their careers,
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Translation: all at the cost of the premier league status that they had kept for eight years while finishing in mid-table under the managerial genius from the likes of Steve Bruce. Ye God's it's no wonder you rate Martinez so highly, how could he possibly be expected to keep league form similar to that and follow in the footsteps of such giants......
davek said:
3/ got an Everton team who had been discouraged from playing ball to feet and keeping hold of the ball for more than half a second to play to a method that we all believed them to be incapable of.
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Translation: managed to fluke getting 5th with a team that had finished 6th the previous season then finished in the bottom half of the table twice in a row and delivered the worst ever home win record in the club's history.
davek said:
And, of course, taking the reins of an international team studded with talent is the easiest thing in the world to do, as successive managers of Brazil, Argentina, Holland, England, Italy etc in the last decade and a half have found out.
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Translation: talked his way into an easy job with an amazing team yet has still has won the same amount of international trophies as Gareth Southgate......
 
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davek said:
2/ managed Wigan to their greatest ever success they had no right to expect, by motivating a bunch of mediocre players to the greatest success of their careers
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Doesn't this fly in the face of why you suggest he ultimately failed at Everton?

You've said the players weren't of sufficient quality to carry out his master plan. Surely the quality was significantly better meaning that he should have been able to motivate the players to greater success than seen at Wigan??
 

PM123 said:
Doesn't this fly in the face of why you suggest he ultimately failed at Everton?

You've said the players weren't of sufficient quality to carry out his master plan. Surely the quality was significantly better meaning that he should have been able to motivate the players to greater success than seen at Wigan??
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No, I stated in the past that they weren't of sufficient quality to improve beyond where he'd taken them as a team in his first season here.
 
davek said:
He was given cash to spend in bargain basement signings.

Is there any correlation between that and the players he bought d'you think?
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Bit like the Moyesiah then. League positions in last 7 season: 6, 5, 5, 8, 7, 7, 6 against 5, 11, 11 before he was put out of his misery by the Carpetbagger.
 

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