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Martinez new Belgium head coach

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BigMick said:
Bit like the Moyesiah then. League positions in last 7 season: 6, 5, 5, 8, 7, 7, 6 against 5, 11, 11 before he was put out of his misery by the Carpetbagger.
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Hopeless. 11 seasons and f.a. That's the bottom line.

I talk of points won because they're the only thing that will get us a CL place (the 4th place under him was an utter fluke...how can it be described any other way when we got 61 points that season to get a CL play off spot?)

Moyes was without any redeeming featureas apart from his capture of some bargains...though even that not as many as some would have you believe.

He was found out after leaving here: a dullard, clueless biff.
 
davek said:
Hopeless. 11 seasons and f.a. That's the bottom line.

I talk of points won because they're the only thing that will get us a CL place (the 4th place under him was an utter fluke...how can it be described any other way when we got 61 points that season to get a CL play off spot?)

Moyes was without any redeeming featureas apart from his capture of some bargains...though even that not as many as some would have you believe.

He was found out after leaving here: a dullard, clueless biff.
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That's nonsense Dave. Better to finish top with 81 points, as Leicester did, than 2nd with 84 than Slippy's lot did. Positions count, and Moyes holds our best ever record in the Premier League era, sadly.

Let us not forget that we also finished 3 points better off than the RS that season, would have been more if we hadn't flogged Mad Dog to Real halfway through the season.
 

davek said:
Hopeless. 11 seasons and f.a. That's the bottom line.

I talk of points won because they're the only thing that will get us a CL place (the 4th place under him was an utter fluke...how can it be described any other way when we got 61 points that season to get a CL play off spot?)

Moyes was without any redeeming featureas apart from his capture of some bargains...though even that not as many as some would have you believe.

He was found out after leaving here: a dullard, clueless biff.
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Yeah fourth place was an utter fluke, much like Martinez finishing fifth also was. The devil is in the detail though, over the course of eleven full season's under Moyes we finished sixth on three occasions, seventh and fifth twice, fourth, eighth, eleventh and seventh once.

If Moyes is a poor manger then Martinez isn't fit to manage a Sunday league side. Moyes consistently delived better results, better league place finishes and better signings for us then Martinez ever did.
 
davek said:
Hopeless. 11 seasons and f.a. That's the bottom line.

I talk of points won because they're the only thing that will get us a CL place (the 4th place under him was an utter fluke...how can it be described any other way when we got 61 points that season to get a CL play off spot?)

Moyes was without any redeeming featureas apart from his capture of some bargains...though even that not as many as some would have you believe.

He was found out after leaving here: a dullard, clueless biff.
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Top class rant, Dave :pint2:
 
OnlyBlueWillDo said:
"As a player I would say he is a complete footballer...someone who copes with the physicality of the game but brings a really strong back-to-goal play in the forward position and with real quality finishing in his make-up.."

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god what a celebration this is, absolute king
 

BigMick said:
That's nonsense Dave. Better to finish top with 81 points, as Leicester did, than 2nd with 84 than Slippy's lot did. Positions count, and Moyes holds our best ever record in the Premier League era, sadly.
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That 2004/05 season was a fluke occurrence. 61 points is as low as you could possibly get to get top four.

Yes, better to get the league position than the points total, but one invariably comes with the other. Martinez proved he could get the very most out of the players Moyes largely left and it was a pity they couldn't kick on...or he wasn't handed the cash Koeman had to kick on without them.


BigMick said:
Let us not forget that we also finished 3 points better off than the RS that season, would have been more if we hadn't flogged Mad Dog to Real halfway through the season.
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Liverpool/Benitez focussed on the CL that year from about February onward.
 
Gwladysstreetlad said:
Yeah fourth place was an utter fluke, much like Martinez finishing fifth also was. The devil is in the detail though, over the course of eleven full season's under Moyes we finished sixth on three occasions, seventh and fifth twice, fourth, eighth, eleventh and seventh once.

If Moyes is a poor manger then Martinez isn't fit to manage a Sunday league side. Moyes consistently delived better results, better league place finishes and better signings for us then Martinez ever did.
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...and nearly relegated when he cratered us at 17th.

Funny you should leave that one out.
 
davek said:
...and nearly relegated when he cratered us at 17th.

Funny you should leave that one out.
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But I didn't! Lol, the 17th place finish is mentioned right there in the part you highlighted!:)

FYI, we were never in real danger of getting relegated that season. It was an awful season that fell completely apart in the last few weeks but everyone knew we weren't going down. We were comfortably safe long before any relegations were confirmed and even after our total collapse we still finished six points clear.

Now with all that being said, Moyes would of been sacked by Oct the following season had that unacceptable form continued. It didn't though did it? We all know how the next season went because it was and remains our best Premier League season. Things got better because unlike Martinez, Moyes never allowed us to have two compelty unacceptable seasons in a row. He was given time, just like Martinez was but unlike Martinez things got better and things improved under his watch.
 

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