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Martinez new Belgium head coach
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Rook
Player Valuation: £80m
Why are nations whose only experience in football is being a place for Arry to launder his money automatically in the final round of qualifying?
GwladysPhil
Player Valuation: £35m
Think he's generally cup manager, so will be more suited to the international game.
Catfish Blues
Player Valuation: £15m
They're ranked 23rd in the world by FIFA, only one place behind USA, USA.
http://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/associations/association=bih/men/index.html
Ah, I see your point now.
Don't think that tells all the story though. It doesn't mention the fact that Belgium are ranked first in the rankings for mutinous, tool-downing shithouses
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
(A moved response to a post from the Everton Only forum's Funes Mori thread)
He wasted money (what manager doesn't? Moyes: Davies, Beattie, Kroldrup, Bilyaletdinov...) and he made us money. The latter outweighed the former.
The contract extension to Osman was from Moyes as a parting gift.
He had a net spend which was better than Moyes, but way, way behind those other teams we were supposed to compete with for top 6. He left with a lot of the first team that he inherited from Moyes still in place (Baines, Jagielka, Coleman, Howard, Mirallas) and he added real quality by buying Lukaku and McCarthy and Barry and Galloway and Deulofeu and Mori. He also brought through to be seasoned internationals lads like Barkley and Stones who'd have been loaned out for two seasons more under Moyes and thereby put a valuation of about £90M on the pair of them if they were to be sold (one has already, of course).
The purchase of Lukaku and his potential sale of around (conservative figure) £60M and the sale of Barkley and Stones alone (as said, circa £90M) justify the claim that Martinez overall didn't waste money overall. And if you sold the likes of McCarthy, Funes Mori, Deulofeu that'd fetch another (minimum) £60M. That'd be a total of well over £200M from those six players alone.
He inherited a Dad's Army of a team with almost nothing worth selling other than Fellaini and he handed his successor a lot of players who can provide him with a transfer fund for the next few summers...one of whom he's already had to cash in on.
He wasted money (what manager doesn't? Moyes: Davies, Beattie, Kroldrup, Bilyaletdinov...) and he made us money. The latter outweighed the former.
The contract extension to Osman was from Moyes as a parting gift.
He had a net spend which was better than Moyes, but way, way behind those other teams we were supposed to compete with for top 6. He left with a lot of the first team that he inherited from Moyes still in place (Baines, Jagielka, Coleman, Howard, Mirallas) and he added real quality by buying Lukaku and McCarthy and Barry and Galloway and Deulofeu and Mori. He also brought through to be seasoned internationals lads like Barkley and Stones who'd have been loaned out for two seasons more under Moyes and thereby put a valuation of about £90M on the pair of them if they were to be sold (one has already, of course).
The purchase of Lukaku and his potential sale of around (conservative figure) £60M and the sale of Barkley and Stones alone (as said, circa £90M) justify the claim that Martinez overall didn't waste money overall. And if you sold the likes of McCarthy, Funes Mori, Deulofeu that'd fetch another (minimum) £60M. That'd be a total of well over £200M from those six players alone.
He inherited a Dad's Army of a team with almost nothing worth selling other than Fellaini and he handed his successor a lot of players who can provide him with a transfer fund for the next few summers...one of whom he's already had to cash in on.
Comparing figures to Moyes time isn't a fair test.... ibe is a 15m player and bolasie 28m. Also who is going to pay 40m for barkley? He may have been loaned out... but bobby is the main reason ross hasn't progressed... so don't tell me he turned him into a seasoned international.. and neither of them two played a minute at the euros.
And your giving bobby credit for stones ... he's a Moyes signing
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To be fair to Moyes (and I'm not shy of criticising his bottling & dourness and the like) I do remember us being after Lukaku when he was about 16, he'd be a 2 goal a season striker or plying his trade in the spanish second division or a league of similar quality ... playing for Aberdeen or someone now if he had got hold of him back then though.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
...he'd have played him down the channels and wasted and sickened him like he did every other attacker he brought in!
Minimeister
Player Valuation: £35m
Appreciate your point of view mate and as a bloke I liked Roberto. But I've never seen our team so pathetic during his final run. I remember bad defeats from years back and they still hurt but Roberto kindly left us with a run of them. Whatever his and Moyes credentials, Moyes never did and never would of had us in that state. I'm sure international football will suit Roberto but when it came to the Premiership, he was absolutely clueless.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
That's just perception. Here's the stats/facts:
Martinez had two terrible runs in his last two seasons with a 1 win in 12 games stretch in his second season, and a 1 win in 10 stretch in season three.
Moyes though had 1 win in 10 stretch in season 2003/04, and 1 win in 9 stretch in season 2005/06.
The worst losing sequences happened under Moyes: he lost 7 of our opening 8 games in 2005/06, and in 2007/08 he lost 10 of our last 18 games.
Martinez's worst losing sequence was 6 losses in 8 games in 2014/15 and 5 losses in 8 in season 2015/16.
As for Martinez being clueless in the PL, I wait with expectation our present and future managers crashing through his season record from 2013/14. When that happens the talk of 'cluelessness' in the PL management stakes might be taken a bit more seriously.
Martinez has taken two Premier League clubs backwards, one so far that he relegated them. That points towards him being clueless in the PL. Alan Pardew fluked a 5th place finish with Newcastle once, people aren't still banging on about that to suggest he's a top manager.
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