Mayor's Bramley Moore Dock Open Letter To Evertonians

[ijjysmith]

There isn't another one in the world where it works Ijjy.

Whether "That Dan Meis" guy comes across as sound on Twitter, with the right soundbytes from research agencies is irrelevant to me. On his website;

I reckon the depth/angle of the seats to cover the space needed for athletics is going to be like his previous designs and Atletico;

Again, clearly no expert but how else do you fill the big space needed for athletics around a pitch with stands?

I'm no stadium designer, but i'm sure they will work it out. They have to.

It's certainly not something I will let worry me. They know what's needed. They know the reaction it will get if it's not right.

This isn't like West Ham. They had an athletics stadium that they failed to make into a football stadium. Ours is a football stadium first and foremost. They cannot prioritise a one off event for it.

I don't believe they will.

 

[Tubey]

There isn't another one in the world where it works Ijjy.

Whether "That Dan Meis" guy comes across as sound on Twitter, with the right soundbytes from research agencies is irrelevant to me. On his website;

I reckon the depth/angle of the seats to cover the space needed for athletics is going to be like his previous designs and Atletico;

Again, clearly no expert but how else do you fill the big space needed for athletics around a pitch with stands?

Again, correct, which means the stadium isn't purpose built for football and simply cannot be if the intent is to basically make a giant plate instead of an enclosed space.

You can't expand into space that shouldn't exist if the intent is to build a football stadium first and foremost.

 

[devogue]

I trust Dan to make a good stadium and I think people should stop panicking until after we see designs.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Spot on.

I'll also add that these two voices involves a politician with a vested interest in seeing it multi-purpose, and the architect with a vested interest in setting the tone for his own design.

Like you, I'm concerned. It's a case of people saying "don't worry about it" - then when something crap happens, it's too late to do anything about it.

What do you suggest we do about it if it seems on the cards?

Not having a go, just genuinely interested

Write to the club demanding they don't do it? Protest?

 

[neil999]

see..

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Easy to say, but for the life of me, I cant see how a football ground, designed for football, can actually physically absorb the acreage of an athletics track, other than some space age design meaning stands sort of disappear some how.

Exactly this.

It would have to be revolutionary, an absolute first.

 

[Ruairi77]

Aye, but if you look at their design the lower 'stands' aren't really stands at all - they're structures built 'on' the pitch.

I'd prefer us to avoid that if at all possible due to the dissipation of the atmosphere.

Both this and the olympic stadium were built for athletics first then football. Ours is the other way around. In that pic of the Etihad, the seats are on top of the track (i think) where as ours, the track will be on top of the lower seats.
Unless LCC are planning on spending tens of millions on our stadium, Evertons preferences will be the priority and the club has been pretty clear about what it wants.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I'm no stadium designer, but i'm sure they will work it out. They have to.

It's certainly not something I will let worry me. They know what's needed. They know the reaction it will get if it's not right.

This isn't like West Ham. They had an athletics stadium that they failed to make into a football stadium. Ours is a football stadium first and foremost. They cannot prioritise a one off event for it.

I don't believe they will.

It's not built yet Ijjy.

The club susceptible to allowing the tail wag the dog.

 

[bicycleheader]

I'm naturally defensive of the club and optimistic all will work well.

On this occasion, I'm genuinely concerned.

The stadium isn't something we can balls up. It's too important.

I told you all in the stadium thread this was cause for concern - the architects tweets was putting feelers out - it's cause for concern, so much so the Mayor has within hours released an open letter on the subject alone.

There's times to be placid an worry about the bridge when you get to it - this isn't one of them.

Make no mistake, there's a compromise here requiring workarounds.

No football club starts with the compromise of athletics for their stadium without some benefit. What is the benefit? "the infrastructure will be temporary with all the costs or installation and removal met by the Commonwealth Games" - wow, big thrill.

You can't fit an athletics track inside Goodison, Anfield, Celtic Park, Westfalenstadion etc for good reason.

I've wondered this season how West Ham managed to get into such a terrible situation with an awful stadium with no revolt from the fans. The club seems ruined in one fell swoop and I don't remember a peep out of the fans.

I think it's much better fans are all over this kind of thing early, because this is absolutely huge and needs to be done right. On this subject I'd prefer the fanbase wet the bed and cause a scene and have egg on their faces afterwards when everything is fine, rather than saying it will be fine and we move to a stadium that changes the club completely and mostly, or totally, for the worse.

 

[peteblue]

Easy to say, but for the life of me, I cant see how a football ground, designed for football, can actually physically absorb the acreage of an athletics track, other than some space age design meaning stands sort of disappear some how.

Easy......

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Less of the bedwetters, soft lad.

As for Man City's Etihad, have you ever been?! I'm not a fan. It doesn't have the steep stands the clubs architect keeps promising. In fact, it does exactly what I said is the only way football grounds replace athletic space - notice the angle/steepness of the lower tier.

City accepted this compromise before they had their money;

The Etihad isn't that bad tbf

It's the fans that cause the lack of atmos, not the stadium design. It's much better than West Ham's

 

[Tubey]

What do you suggest we do about it if it seems on the cards?

Not having a go, just genuinely interested

What we do is absolutely nothing sadly. We have no voice. We're so desperately in need of a stadium that we'll have to take what's on the table.

However, it's well worth pointing out how illogical these statements from Anderson et al are because they are, on the surface, not practically possible and therefore 'misleading', to put it politely.

If the club had a spine and any say, we should be telling LCC to do one and leave us off the bid, but I have a feeling that our stadium bid was based on this being approved.

 

[The_La]

I'll say again. What I've been told is that we'll have a Ground with 4 distinct stands and one of the goal ends will be a Dortmund style mega-stand.

Don't forget, the council stands to make huge money from us over the life of this stadium. They can't force us to build it for something that they don't even know is happening yet. It's in the council's best interests to ensure we get a stadium we are happy to use and ultimately purchase, otherwise they miss out on 40 years of serious income.

 

[KevMirallas]

As I said in the other thread, the technology is available to make this happen, and everything is eluding to this being used. Pitches are retractable. Stands are removable.

 

[ijjysmith]

It's not built yet Ijjy.

The club susceptible to allowing the tail wag the dog.

I just can't see it mate.

If it happens the backlash would be too much. It's a football stadium. I honestly have no idea how they would fit a track in it but it doesn't worry me.