So very sad.
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Trashy TV on Netflix would be my option!
Beautiful, just beautiful AT
I'd just have DCLs goal on repeat and look up how many Spanish words you can find for fanstatico!
Brilliant that you are learning Spanish. So many Brits just don't bother even when living in a foreign country.
I became reasonably fluent in French when we had our holiday home in Charente Maritime, at least I thought I was until I had to go to the tax office to explain why they had overcharged me lol
Good morning folks. Happy Monday. I hope you had an undisturbed night @peteblue and that you and Mrs Pete slept well. Loved the pics @Gwladysover. Autumn colours are beautiful. I might take some later of the trees across the road.
Doesn't it make a difference when Everton win. I thought it was a gritty, dogged performance- not pretty but who cares - we deserved the win. A far better effort than the abysmal showing by the England cricket team who were utterly dreadful.
It's Mr F's birthday on Friday. He's a nightmare to buy for. He doesn't read, doesn't wear aftershave or anything like that, isn't really into clothes...so I'm thinking of booking a weekend away for him ( and me obvs) for some time in the New Year that involves a race meeting somewhere we haven't been to. He's also very fond of what the locals up here call ket. And before you think I'm married to a raging drug addict, it actually means sweets. The kind of stuff my Mum used to refer to as 'penny rubbish'. I've got him a big box of retro sweets. Mojos, cherry lips, those pink prawny things (shrimps were they called?) all that stuff.
Hope you all have a good day.
Doesn't it make a difference when Everton win. I thought it was a gritty, dogged performance- not pretty but who cares - we deserved the win. A far better effort than the abysmal showing by the England cricket team who were utterly dreadful.
It's Mr F's birthday on Friday. He's a nightmare to buy for. He doesn't read, doesn't wear aftershave or anything like that, isn't really into clothes...so I'm thinking of booking a weekend away for him ( and me obvs) for some time in the New Year that involves a race meeting somewhere we haven't been to. He's also very fond of what the locals up here call ket. And before you think I'm married to a raging drug addict, it actually means sweets. The kind of stuff my Mum used to refer to as 'penny rubbish'. I've got him a big box of retro sweets. Mojos, cherry lips, those pink prawny things (shrimps were they called?) all that stuff.
Hope you all have a good day.
Morning everyone,
A super Sunday for a change ( well if you ignore India v England).
I and I think everyone else in here has avoided comment on the situation in Gaza / Israel.
It's complex and history and other forces have conspired to create what seems to be an intractable problem.
I have some knowledge but not nearly enough to have an informed opinion in the true rights and wrongs of the matter.
Me and Mrs J visited Jerusalem and Bethlehem 35 years ago as part of our honeymoon and I was struck by how sad a place it was , the security was overwhelming and the Palestinians were treated like 2nd class citizens , very reminiscent of apartheid.
Clearly what Hamas did 3 weeks ago is an unspeakable atrocity for there can be no justification. Israel must have the right to defend its self, return the hostages and seek and punish those responsible but what they are doing surely amounts to collective punishment of a whole community.
The suffering of those on both sides of the divide is beyond my comprehension but surely this has to stop soon.
I have no idea what the future holds and how people in the region can rebuild their lives.
Anyway perhaps watching the news is becoming too depressing and that's why the support , kindness and friendship we find in as AT beautifully puts it in Messys Cafe to be life affirming bring warmth.
Have a lovely day everyone .
A super Sunday for a change ( well if you ignore India v England).
I and I think everyone else in here has avoided comment on the situation in Gaza / Israel.
It's complex and history and other forces have conspired to create what seems to be an intractable problem.
I have some knowledge but not nearly enough to have an informed opinion in the true rights and wrongs of the matter.
Me and Mrs J visited Jerusalem and Bethlehem 35 years ago as part of our honeymoon and I was struck by how sad a place it was , the security was overwhelming and the Palestinians were treated like 2nd class citizens , very reminiscent of apartheid.
Clearly what Hamas did 3 weeks ago is an unspeakable atrocity for there can be no justification. Israel must have the right to defend its self, return the hostages and seek and punish those responsible but what they are doing surely amounts to collective punishment of a whole community.
The suffering of those on both sides of the divide is beyond my comprehension but surely this has to stop soon.
I have no idea what the future holds and how people in the region can rebuild their lives.
Anyway perhaps watching the news is becoming too depressing and that's why the support , kindness and friendship we find in as AT beautifully puts it in Messys Cafe to be life affirming bring warmth.
Have a lovely day everyone .
Have you all read this. From The Times.
At long last….a National journalist who says it as it is:
Super League rebels got off lightly — why are Everton being crushed?
new
Martin Samuel
Saturday October 28 2023, 6.00pm
When six clubs conspired towards the ruination of English football for their selfish ends, the Premier League knew exactly what to do. It fined the European Super League rebels £22 million, collectively. So, roughly £3.66 million each for a plot that would have destroyed our domestic game. That showed them.
Yet if Everton are proved to have contravened profit and sustainability rules, the same body is pushing for a 12-point deduction. So, pretty much, relegation. In the past two seasons, with a 12-point deduction, Everton would have gone down, as they would on five other occasions this century. With seven points from nine games in this campaign, Everton would almost certainly drop if docked the Premier League’s recommended 12 points.
It used to be the EFL that sought to kill clubs for financial misconduct, but now the Premier League has developed a taste for blood. The desire to crush Everton is no doubt related to the looming government regulator and wanting to show politicians that the league can be trusted with self-regulation. Yet whose fault is it that football is now coming under the remit of Westminster? It would be those six clubs again, who combined in a betrayal so heinous it suggested football required external control, handing the game to the politicians.
Yet they got away with it. Compared with Everton, if the Premier League has its way, at least. There was no relegation for Manchester United, Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham Hotspur, Chelsea and Manchester City. There should have been, if we’re talking justice.
The rightful punishment for attempting to break away from the league should have been to get their wish. Except, instead of moving into a closed-shop Super League with Real Madrid and Barcelona, they should have been allowed to enter the Championship and see how the other half lived. Six up, six down, and we’ve got six right here, handily. Norwich City, Watford, Brentford, Swansea City, Barnsley and Bournemouth would have been the beneficiaries, presuming no play-offs, and then the “big six” could have fought it out for promotion like weasels in a sack. Three up the first year, and three waiting it out until the next, providing they all delivered. The second tranche would have got back at the end of last season. Now that’s a deterrent.
It was never going to happen, of course. The Premier League were too worried about driving them into the greedy arms of the European elite to make an example, and too worried about the harm to their own product. Yet who would have benefited had the Super League six been significantly punished? A club such as Everton, perhaps, or Wolverhampton Wanderers, Brighton & Hove Albion, Crystal Palace, West Ham United, Leicester City. A club straining every sinew, spending every penny, just to keep up — at the risk of a 12-point deduction if they fail.
Why did Everton misspend their finances? Because they were trying to compete. Oligarchs, sovereign wealth funds and American venture capitalist groups have raised the bar for investment so high that Mike Ashley — a man with a net worth of £3.84 billion according to the Sunday Times Rich List — felt he could not participate as Newcastle United owner. So in came a sovereign wealth fund, and now they’re in the mix. But that doesn’t make it any easier for Everton.
The group trying to buy Everton, 777 Partners, approached Newcastle’s owners on hearing they were interested in a multi-club model. It owns stakes in clubs including Genoa, Vasco Da Gama, Hertha Berlin and Standard Liège and thought this would give the Public Investment Fund of Saudi Arabia a ready-made package. Newcastle were not interested, but it shows what is needed to get a seat around the table these days. 777 Partners was hoping to obtain Saudi investment by proxy to make its takeover work. If this deal now stalls — although there is no suggestion 777 has lost interest — what is Everton’s owner, Farhad Moshiri, to do? This is a desperate club, a club in crisis that has made huge mistakes.
At which point in comes the Premier League with its helpful 12-point deduction. Not a fine, or a transfer embargo. A plunge through the trapdoor. And it may be argued this is merely a negotiating tool. Ask for 12, get six. The league may think if it makes no demand at all it runs the risk of a repeat of the West Ham and Sheffield United saga of 2007, following an initially weak ruling over third-party interference. Yet be careful what you wish for — you may get it. And would it serve as a deterrent? Not really, because the need to compete remains.
At long last….a National journalist who says it as it is:
Super League rebels got off lightly — why are Everton being crushed?
new
Martin Samuel
Saturday October 28 2023, 6.00pm
When six clubs conspired towards the ruination of English football for their selfish ends, the Premier League knew exactly what to do. It fined the European Super League rebels £22 million, collectively. So, roughly £3.66 million each for a plot that would have destroyed our domestic game. That showed them.
Yet if Everton are proved to have contravened profit and sustainability rules, the same body is pushing for a 12-point deduction. So, pretty much, relegation. In the past two seasons, with a 12-point deduction, Everton would have gone down, as they would on five other occasions this century. With seven points from nine games in this campaign, Everton would almost certainly drop if docked the Premier League’s recommended 12 points.
It used to be the EFL that sought to kill clubs for financial misconduct, but now the Premier League has developed a taste for blood. The desire to crush Everton is no doubt related to the looming government regulator and wanting to show politicians that the league can be trusted with self-regulation. Yet whose fault is it that football is now coming under the remit of Westminster? It would be those six clubs again, who combined in a betrayal so heinous it suggested football required external control, handing the game to the politicians.
Yet they got away with it. Compared with Everton, if the Premier League has its way, at least. There was no relegation for Manchester United, Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham Hotspur, Chelsea and Manchester City. There should have been, if we’re talking justice.
The rightful punishment for attempting to break away from the league should have been to get their wish. Except, instead of moving into a closed-shop Super League with Real Madrid and Barcelona, they should have been allowed to enter the Championship and see how the other half lived. Six up, six down, and we’ve got six right here, handily. Norwich City, Watford, Brentford, Swansea City, Barnsley and Bournemouth would have been the beneficiaries, presuming no play-offs, and then the “big six” could have fought it out for promotion like weasels in a sack. Three up the first year, and three waiting it out until the next, providing they all delivered. The second tranche would have got back at the end of last season. Now that’s a deterrent.
It was never going to happen, of course. The Premier League were too worried about driving them into the greedy arms of the European elite to make an example, and too worried about the harm to their own product. Yet who would have benefited had the Super League six been significantly punished? A club such as Everton, perhaps, or Wolverhampton Wanderers, Brighton & Hove Albion, Crystal Palace, West Ham United, Leicester City. A club straining every sinew, spending every penny, just to keep up — at the risk of a 12-point deduction if they fail.
Why did Everton misspend their finances? Because they were trying to compete. Oligarchs, sovereign wealth funds and American venture capitalist groups have raised the bar for investment so high that Mike Ashley — a man with a net worth of £3.84 billion according to the Sunday Times Rich List — felt he could not participate as Newcastle United owner. So in came a sovereign wealth fund, and now they’re in the mix. But that doesn’t make it any easier for Everton.
The group trying to buy Everton, 777 Partners, approached Newcastle’s owners on hearing they were interested in a multi-club model. It owns stakes in clubs including Genoa, Vasco Da Gama, Hertha Berlin and Standard Liège and thought this would give the Public Investment Fund of Saudi Arabia a ready-made package. Newcastle were not interested, but it shows what is needed to get a seat around the table these days. 777 Partners was hoping to obtain Saudi investment by proxy to make its takeover work. If this deal now stalls — although there is no suggestion 777 has lost interest — what is Everton’s owner, Farhad Moshiri, to do? This is a desperate club, a club in crisis that has made huge mistakes.
At which point in comes the Premier League with its helpful 12-point deduction. Not a fine, or a transfer embargo. A plunge through the trapdoor. And it may be argued this is merely a negotiating tool. Ask for 12, get six. The league may think if it makes no demand at all it runs the risk of a repeat of the West Ham and Sheffield United saga of 2007, following an initially weak ruling over third-party interference. Yet be careful what you wish for — you may get it. And would it serve as a deterrent? Not really, because the need to compete remains.
Great idea Anje.
Why not kill two birds with one stone and go to Edinburgh ( gorgeous) and Musselburgh which is the race course nearby. I'm sure Fred has been?
Yes I read that at the time. Bit of a lone voice I think.
The outcome of the commission will be "interesting" to say the least.
Oooh good plan.
I strongly recommend you avoid YouTube for coverage of what is happening in the Middle East. Very graphic images of suffering really upset me and I have been dwelling on it.
That the world stands by and let’s it happen is the bit I can’t comprehend at all.
The best bit of yesterday maybe wasn’t even our 3 points you know. It was being able to watch the City game with a beer in full relaxation mode. We could do with a few more weekends like this!
I was surprised how lacking in passion the Manchester Derby was. Not like a Liverpool one where you can guarantee that from minute one it would be 100mph, tackles would be flying in and there is an almost certain red card. Maybe it was because Man City were just too good.
United’s discipline was shocking at the end of the game. Something seems badly wrong at the club.
Great to see!
Gwladysover
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I echo what others have said, you have captured the essence of this thread, Karl’s spirit lives on.
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