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2018/19 Michael Keane

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Lanolin said:
View attachment 48901 Keane is tight to Jimenez here, he's got his hand on his arm so he knows where he is. Look where the ball is. It's already travelled, what, 10-12 yards? At this point there is no chance whatsoever that the ball is going to the player in front of him, and yet it's after this that he leaves his man. Either he was going to the man in front of him because he had badly misjudged the flight of the ball - by about 10 yards - or he was trying to head it clear because he had slightly misjudged the flight of the ball - by about a foot - but either way, he clearly misjudged it.

The fault lies with others for not stopping the cross, Holgate is also asleep and doesn't even appear to have noticed the player running into the box, but to try and suggest Keane had no option but to do what he did is absolute nonsense. That cross cannot reach the man at the front post because of the angle of the ball and the run, he is of no danger in this situation, so if Keane went with him and ignored what was obviously the greater danger (the proof was in the pudding) then he's made a massive ricket. Personally I don't think he did, I think it was just a good ball and a momentary lapse which allowed his man to get away from him. It happens.
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Look at that mid line, 5 Everton players doing what- dreaming?
 
ProZ said:
The boy Michael done ok the other day until he cost us the two points, I wasn’t far from giving him a compliment but he ballsed it up and normal service was resumed.
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I thought of you mate when Richarlison scored his second..."ProZ's dirty laundry basket's getting some freshly skidded bills" I thought...
 

Lanolin said:
View attachment 48901 Keane is tight to Jimenez here, he's got his hand on his arm so he knows where he is. Look where the ball is. It's already travelled, what, 10-12 yards? At this point there is no chance whatsoever that the ball is going to the player in front of him, and yet it's after this that he leaves his man. Either he was going to the man in front of him because he had badly misjudged the flight of the ball - by about 10 yards - or he was trying to head it clear because he had slightly misjudged the flight of the ball - by about a foot - but either way, he clearly misjudged it.

The fault lies with others for not stopping the cross, Holgate is also asleep and doesn't even appear to have noticed the player running into the box, but to try and suggest Keane had no option but to do what he did is absolute nonsense. That cross cannot reach the man at the front post because of the angle of the ball and the run, he is of no danger in this situation, so if Keane went with him and ignored what was obviously the greater danger (the proof was in the pudding) then he's made a massive ricket. Personally I don't think he did, I think it was just a good ball and a momentary lapse which allowed his man to get away from him. It happens.
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Ok so again you’ve been selective with the picture you’ve used. The ball is already being delivered and Keane has moved away from his man by this point. If you go back in time to the point where Gana is marking the guy (this shows the time elapsed as he is nowhere near that guy) you will see Keane is touch tight and goal side. It’s only when Gana loses the guy that Keane roughly moves into the position as per your shot.

TBH you’re not going to change your mind and neither am I. I personally don’t rate Keane at all, but the level of blame being put at his feet for this goal I think is unjust.
 
Paul Rideout said:
Ok so again you’ve been selective with the picture you’ve used. The ball is already being delivered and Keane has moved away from his man by this point. If you go back in time to the point where Gana is marking the guy (this shows the time elapsed as he is nowhere near that guy) you will see Keane is touch tight and goal side. It’s only when Gana loses the guy that Keane roughly moves into the position as per your shot.

TBH you’re not going to change your mind and neither am I. I personally don’t rate Keane at all, but the level of blame being put at his feet for this goal I think is unjust.
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Not goalside here...
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or here.

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He was never goalside, and only gets touch tight while the ball is in the air. Look at the penalty spot in the two pictures above. On the first one Keane is near post side of the spot, on the second he is far post side, and on the picture I posted earlier while the ball's in the air, he's even further towards the back post. And yet you're trying to say he missed the ball because he was marking the bloke who was running towards the near post. Well he wasn't doing a very good job then was he? Moving in the opposite direction from someone you're trying to mark isn't a great idea, no matter what your FA accredited coaches may have told you.
 
Lanolin said:
Not goalside here...View attachment 48904
or here.

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He was never goalside, and only gets touch tight while the ball is in the air. Look at the penalty spot in the two pictures above. On the first one Keane is near post side of the spot, on the second he is far post side, and on the picture I posted earlier while the ball's in the air, he's even further towards the back post. And yet you're trying to say he missed the ball because he was marking the bloke who was running towards the near post. Well he wasn't doing a very good job then was he? Moving in the opposite direction from someone you're trying to mark isn't a great idea, no matter what your FA accredited coaches may have told you.
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I would be far more worried about the time and space the player who delivered the cross had than where our central defenders were.
If you allow that kind of space you will get punished sooner or later.
 

Lanolin said:
Not goalside here...View attachment 48904
or here.

View attachment 48905
He was never goalside, and only gets touch tight while the ball is in the air. Look at the penalty spot in the two pictures above. On the first one Keane is near post side of the spot, on the second he is far post side, and on the picture I posted earlier while the ball's in the air, he's even further towards the back post. And yet you're trying to say he missed the ball because he was marking the bloke who was running towards the near post. Well he wasn't doing a very good job then was he? Moving in the opposite direction from someone you're trying to mark isn't a great idea, no matter what your FA accredited coaches may have told you.
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Did I say marking the guy at the front post at all - in ANY post?

Behave yourself mate, stop making up stories.

I said he ended up splitting between the guy he was marking and the guy Gana left unmarked, who ran into the space between Keane and Holgate.

Don’t put incorrect words down, I cannot abide that drivel just so you can try and score a kudos point.
 
Paul Rideout said:
Did I say marking the guy at the front post at all - in ANY post?

Behave yourself mate, stop making up stories.

I said he ended up splitting between the guy he was marking and the guy Gana left unmarked, who ran into the space between Keane and Holgate.

Don’t put incorrect words down, I cannot abide that drivel just so you can try and score a kudos point.
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Hahaha behave yourself.

The bloke at the front post is the one Gana left unmarked. All i'm saying is he didn't get split between the 2 because - as all 3 of the pictures I've shown you clearly demonstrate - he moves with Jimenez not the other player. It's really very simple, he lost his man for a second and tried to make up for it by cutting out the cross instead, but misjudged it. As I said initially, it's no big deal, he's not even the main culprit, but he clearly didn't do what you suggested.

I'm not trying to point score, I was genuinely intrigued as to whether you were right because I only saw it live, but when I went back to watch it I saw you weren't. Not sure why you've got so defensive about it but nevermind, we'll leave it there.
 
blueblue said:
I would be far more worried about the time and space the player who delivered the cross had than where our central defenders were.
If you allow that kind of space you will get punished sooner or later.
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Zero attempt to block the cross like. Maddening how often we make that mistake.
 
Lanolin said:
Hahaha behave yourself.

The bloke at the front post is the one Gana left unmarked. All i'm saying is he didn't get split between the 2 because - as all 3 of the pictures I've shown you clearly demonstrate - he moves with Jimenez not the other player. It's really very simple, he lost his man for a second and tried to make up for it by cutting out the cross instead, but misjudged it. As I said initially, it's no big deal, he's not even the main culprit, but he clearly didn't do what you suggested.

I'm not trying to point score, I was genuinely intrigued as to whether you were right because I only saw it live, but when I went back to watch it I saw you weren't. Not sure why you've got so defensive about it but nevermind, we'll leave it there.
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Mate you’ve completely made up something and attributed it to something I’ve said. What do you expect?

Keane loses his man partially because he is inept and partially because of the other dude drifting from Gana. He gets caught splitting the two, which isn’t uncommon.

Does anything I’ve said there ring untrue?

The major fault IMO is not closing the crosser down, then thereafter it’s a lack of communication between centre backs and Gana in who should pick up the guy Gana leaves.
 

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