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2023/24 Michael Keane

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Lobworm said:
Suggesting Dyche doesn't pick Keane because he'll get slaughtered is simply daft, sorry mate. He doesn't pick Keane because Tarkowski and Branthwaite are both miles better. There was an injury today to Doucoure, so he started Keane instead of Godfrey in an experimental back 5 (or 3). It was crap, Keane was last, as were the rest of them, we got battered, we move on. But the 'stop picking Keane' bandwagon is now in full flow, as though he picks him each week. I do wonder if people realise that without the deduction we're mid table, and a massive improvement on last year, so maybe the manager knows what he's doing to some extent?
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Some good points, but he is leaving himself open to question by picking MK when there was no reason to, and to have such a poor performance to boot.
 
The Binman said:
Some good points, but he is leaving himself open to question by picking MK when there was no reason to, and to have such a poor performance to boot.
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He tried a back 5 because Doucs was out mate, it was either Keane or Godfrey (who fellas will also slate when picked), it's not like there's loads of other options. Yes, he should have changed it much earlier, he didn't, we lost badly. I just think the Dyche/Keane haters jump on anything instead of taking today's result for what it is and seeing the bigger picture, that being we're miles further on than 12 months ago.
 
Titus Shambles said:
Pretty sure Frank barely let him near a football once Coady & Tarks were brought to the club, but then in comes daddy Dyche and the walking relegation machine goes straight back into the team, week after week for about a dozen times, no matter how many mistakes he makes, as we slid ever close to the drop because he absolutely is Dyche's boy. Hell, as soon as this season started he was first choice again and it was his usual sabotage act against Villa that finally took him out.

None of that means that MK will now be a starter in the side from here on in of course (I doubt he will), but it's perfectly fair and true to say he is very much the go-to boy for Dyche when there is a vacancy to be filled. He's perfectly happy to change the system and shape to get him in the side if needs be, because that's Dyche's default preference. If that doesn't tell you Dyche rates him and has a place for him (albeit not regular starter) I don't know what to tell you.
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Yes. What he should of done when Branthwaite was in Holland was stick Holgate (who cannot get a game for Southampton) or Godfrey there instead I guess.
 

Lobworm said:
You clearly don't comprehend we are an injury or two away from Keane probably starting each week.
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And therein is the crux of the problem: the minute the first choice 11 can't be picked Dyche's default setting seems to be get MK in the team. 40,000 fans have watched this walking relegation machine go from one calamity to the next with almost every passing performance for years, yet for some reason he's Dyche's preferred option, even if it means shuffling the team about to accommodate him.

He doesn't pick himself of course, but what Dyche sees in him that 40,000 match-going people cannot see is anyone's guess. (Maybe 8 years ago he had a good game against Darlington Rovers in the Papa Johns Paint Trophy and thats good enough for Dyche in the here and now. Maybe Dyche just sticks with the people he knows).
 
Clarky cat said:
Yes. What he should of done when Branthwaite was in Holland was stick Holgate (who cannot get a game for Southampton) or Godfrey there instead I guess.
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Holgate wasn't at Saints last year, and IMO Godfrey is a better center back than MK so that would have been my choice in that scenario. But I'm not the manager, and Dyche clearly chose to pick the guy he knew over other options. Tis what it is, shouldn't be a particularly surprising thing.
 
Titus Shambles said:
And therein is the crux of the problem: the minute the first choice 11 can't be picked Dyche's default setting seems to be get MK in the team. 40,000 fans have watched this walking relegation machine go from one calamity to the next with almost every passing performance for years, yet for some reason he's Dyche's preferred option, even if it means shuffling the team about to accommodate him.

He doesn't pick himself of course, but what Dyche sees in him that 40,000 match-going people cannot see is anyone's guess. (Maybe 8 years ago he had a good game against Darlington Rovers in the Papa Johns Paint Trophy and thats good enough for Dyche in the here and now. Maybe Dyche just sticks with the people he knows).
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So he picks Ben Godfrey instead? Not a lot in it really. They're both not very good. FWIW Ancelotti picked Keane constantly, so I suspect Dyche sees similarly, for whatever reason.
 
Lobworm said:
So he picks Ben Godfrey instead? Not a lot in it really. They're both not very good. FWIW Ancelotti picked Keane constantly, so I suspect Dyche sees similarly, for whatever reason.
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Ancelotti also picked Godfrey a lot (shuffling him around the back line from one game to the next). Both had their best spells in a blue shirt under one of the best managers of all time, so I suspect that says more about Carlo than anything else. Like you say, it's hardly a choice between Baresi and Beckenbauer. I'd personally pick BG over MK every time, but Dyche knows Keane better, ergo I suspect that's why he gets the nod. If MK goes back to being on the bench most weeks, all the better, no need to make a mountain out of a molehill.
 

The fella is just a curse and therefore should be nowhere near the club. He brings bad luck, he causes a tremendous defensive pairing of Tarkowski and Branthwaite, arguably one of the best partnerships in the league, to turn into an abysmal trifecta of Keane, Tarkowski and Branthwaite simply by him being there and messing the entire balance up.

The manager either can't or won't see it, and ultimately the blame lies with him.

Dyche has done plenty right this season but this is undoing all of that. It's just unexplainable that he's still being given game time.
 
Difficult situation with this lad. he has one ok game in every 5 followed by the usual poor performances and mistakes that we have had to endure and at this stage are used to . whatever anyone thinks of godfrey he has to be a better option … so long as Keane is still at the club the cycle will continue … really needs to be sold or just moved on in january and finally replaced … if thats all we did in the window it would majorly improve us .. Surely somebody at the club must be able to see this !!
 
Lobworm said:
You clearly don't comprehend we are an injury or two away from Keane probably starting each week.
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If the gun is pointed to your head and no choice is fair enough. He had a choice today. He could have played gomes or dobbin in midfield and stuck with the back four.
He didnt. He went back to his comfort blanket.
Nobody can convince me playing keane is a good idea. Years of watching him have done that to me.
 
Gilbert.. said:
If the gun is pointed to your head and no choice is fair enough. He had a choice today. He could have played gomes or dobbin in midfield and stuck with the back four.
He didnt. He went back to his comfort blanket.
Nobody can convince me playing keane is a good idea. Years of watching him have done that to me.
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Here's a cheery thought for you: in a couple of years you'll be able to go to his testimonal match at BMD... 🙃 🔫

(I hear the Phil Jones All-Stars are available for booking...)
 

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