Can't be helping him having different defenders round him every week.
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I never realised how slow he is, guess you tend to watch the players in your team a lot closer but he really is a snail.
First game of the season he looked pretty good. Everton that.
First game of the season he looked pretty good. Everton that.
This seems to be a bit of a recurring theme with a lot of players in this team but none of them are really standing up to be counted.
mkrudden
Player Valuation: £40m
"He's supposed to be a good CB"
Where is the context?
Well he played very well in a Burnley team last season.
Question for you, who are the Burnley full backs? Without googling?
They hardly get mentioned because they never get forward, instead tucking in and protecting the CBs.
In the time he's been with us he's played for 2 different managers, had numerous CB partners, played both left cb and right CB, next to different full backs, in a team who like to get their full backs forward, with different CMs in front of him, none of which want the ball and been injured. Oh and is having to deal with European football and a different expectation.
And he's what, 23?
Context.
Zeke
Player Valuation: £2.5m
The context is this club has spent 25m on him, and that alone should mean he should be half decent. This excuse about he's had different partners at the back and he's played too many games...good god get that man a tissue. The issues I've got with this lad are simple, he's too slow and unless we decide to play like Burnley(10 men behind the ball) he's not gonna do us any favours when we play open football because he'll get constantly exposed because of that lack of pace and positional awareness.
mkrudden
Player Valuation: £40m
Nah you're wrong again mate. Pace isn't everything at the back.
Ask any Italian CB.
Had you heard of Bonucci at 23?
I'm not saying Keane will ever hit those heights but the point remains valid.
You're frustrated that, after spending 25m, he isn't hitting the heights you expect.
In reality this season was always going to be a
difficult one. We then hopefully reap the benefits, just as City are now doing with John Stones.
Zeke
Player Valuation: £2.5m
I'm might be wrong in your eyes, but pace is a large part of footie in the premier league and that's where we're playing not in Italy.
How come then why don't we have more Italian CB in the premier league?(without googling)
KaiserEFC
Player Valuation: £70m
mkrudden
Player Valuation: £40m
Very good point.I'm might be wrong in your eyes, but pace is a large part of footie in the premier league and that's where we're playing not in Italy.
How come then why don't we have more Italian CB in the premier league?(without googling)
But the point remains that if you read the game well then blistering pace, whilst definitely a benefit, isn't essential.
Cahill
Kompany
Terry
Vidic
Defenders who have won the PL, in sides who like to be expansive, and have no pace.
It again remains to be seen whether he hits those heights.
Let's just persevere and be patient mate, that's all I'm suggesting.
The Walsh situation is a strange one. I think the signings have all been on Koeman, which is why he's still there.
The other thing is, I can't help feeling there's some sort of power struggle going on. That's the only explanation I've got for the schizophrenic nature of the managers linked!
Defence more than any other area needs stability. That's one thing Unsworth has tried to do. That must be first time we've put out same back four for 2 games running. As bad as they've been I'd keep that same back 4 until January.
Agree mate, because it would also mean no more Williams!
You can go to any player thread and talk about them being gash, truth is we have good players, no one is any better or any worse within our current slump, the team is just what it is massively unbalanced.
Zeke
Player Valuation: £2.5m
Very good point to, however those players had one thing over this lad especially and that's positional awareness.
Terry, Vidic weren't quick but read the game very well also they had aggression which I think Keane doesn't have and is like some posters have put his Mr Nice, which isn't what we need in a dog fight!
I could argue Kompany is quicker(constant injuries have slowed him down) than Keane and Cahill is probably faster too but don't have the stats unfortunately.
messymascot
Player Valuation: £35m
I think we should go to 3 at the back as no 2 centre backs we have are good enough in a 2. Holgate Jagielka Keane would be my choice. I believe if we get another centre back in the window with the right attributes we can try a back 4 again. Keane doesn't know whether he's coming or going as he had to cover for potential lack of pace of his partner's so ends up out of position but has he isn't the quickest ends up exposed.
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